Dr. Herman S Jr. is a Global Change Agent. His work is recognized worldwide consulting with universities, Fortune 100 companies, federal law enforcement, intel agencies, and many others to discover new ways to deconstruct reality and apply a holistic vision and psychological strategies to apply solutions that foster and recognize interconnectivity. He's authored many books on occult science, personal psychology, and even consulted on Miguel Conner's recent The Occult Elvis.
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Chapters
00:00 Start
4:48 The Meta-Analysis
12:57 Travel and Mindset
30:25 The Role of Language in Empires
34:16 Early Interest in Metaphysics
57:08 Language and Power
1:04:45 Nature of Reality
1:09:47 Exploring the Tarot
1:27:00 Symbols and Psychology
1:41:32 The Quest for Truth
1:47:47 Awakening from the Matrix
Transcript
Tyler:
[0:00] What is called the spirit of the void is where there is nothing.
Tyler:
[0:04] It is not included in man's knowledge. Of course, the void is nothingness. By knowing things that exist, you can know that which does not exist. That is the void. People in this world look at things mistakenly and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment. and the way of strategy. Also, those who study as warriors think that whatever they cannot understand in their craft is the void. This is not the true void.
Tyler:
[0:39] To attain the way of strategy as a warrior, you must study fully other martial arts and not deviate even a little from the way of the warrior. With your spirit settled, accumulate practice day by day and hour by hour. Polish the twofold spirit heart and mind and sharpen the twofold gaze perception and sight when your spirit is not the least clouded when the clouds of bewilderment clear away there is the true void until you realize the true way whether in buddhism or in common sense you may think that things are correct and in order however if we look at things objectively From the viewpoint of laws of the world, we see various doctrines departing from the true way. Know well the spirit, and with forthrightness as the foundation and the true spirit as the way. Enact strategy broadly, correctly, and openly. Then you will come to think of things in a wide sense, and, taking the void as the way, you will see the way as void. In the void is virtue and no evil. Wisdom has existence. Principle has existence. The way has existence. Spirit is nothingness. Miyamoto Musashi
Music:
[2:00] Music
Tyler:
[2:03] We'll be right
Dr. H:
[2:25] My work is ridiculously hard for most people to understand. I do one thing, and this is extremely simply put. So I teach people to divorce from themselves so they step outside of themselves and see their atmospheres, whether it's a solution or excuse me, an issue, an opportunity, a person, themselves, work, whatever the atmosphere is, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter their background as well. So they're divorced and they're doing a meta-analysis, so they see it from outside themselves, so they can see opportunities, answers, solutions, all the positives for that atmosphere. So it's the same thing 100% as taking a fish out of water. Before you do that, the fish thinks the water is the entire world. But you take the fish out of the water, show it a world without the water, and now it has an entirely new cognitive structure, an entirely new looking at things. So you put it back in the water, and it's able now to think differently, to see things in a novel way, to ideate in a much better way. So that's what I do, very simply put.
Dr. H:
[3:45] Expanding upon that, it is the exact same single commonality that every greatest thinker in all of history has ever had, whether they were an expert in one field or 20 fields, it doesn't matter. They have one commonality only, and that's that they were masters of one or more fields and they saw it at the lowest level possible the common denominator the root level the universal the concept the algorithm the rule whatever you want to call it and apply it in seemingly unrelated things so going back to that go to that fish i take the fish out of water and i show it the whatever you want to call it the novelty of thinking differently, the universal level, the algorithm, the concept, the rule, like I said, the plank level, whatever you want to call it. Then I put them back in their water and they're using new ideas, new cognition to do whatever the hell they want to do. So that's what I do.
Dr. H:
[4:49] It's complicated because it's applied to everything in existence. So I train local federal police engineers lawyers doctors anyone because it doesn't matter these are universal concepts so that's a longer but slightly smaller answer to what the hell I do it's just very complicated yeah.
Tyler:
[5:13] I mean so for the layman essentially you you like coach people
Dr. H:
[5:21] Like, uh, yes, for the layman, but I, I don't like that word coach only because I don't either.
Tyler:
[5:27] You know, there's, yeah,
Dr. H:
[5:28] You know where I'm going.
Tyler:
[5:30] You know, you got every 80.
Dr. H:
[5:32] Yeah. You got every 80 out there who can't pay their more, their mortgage or their, their rent next month, but they say, Oh, I have a certificate that I'm a life coach or a motivational speaker. So I agree with you. You know exactly what I'm talking about, but I just, I have a thing against the word coach and I'm definitely not a motivational speaker. I just trained people to divorce from themselves so they could see things that they couldn't possibly imagine before.
Tyler:
[5:57] Yeah, you reminded me of Plato's Cave and also of Miyamoto Musashi.
Dr. H:
[6:03] Exactly.
Tyler:
[6:04] If you know the way broadly, you will see it in everything. Great, good philosophies to have. But I feel like that whole concept of we're fish, we think that the world is the small pond that we live in and then just kind of knowing that the universe is much bigger and coming at life with that perspective is something that every great philosopher tries to find a new way to say and there's a million different ways that you could put it into words and still they don't stick until they stick so how do you get it to stick exactly
Dr. H:
[6:37] Sure. So one of the lessons that I teach, again, so I don't have to say this
Dr. H:
[6:43] because I hate redundancy, but the work is universal. It doesn't matter where the hell you come from and what you want to do. That's irrelevant. So to answer your question, one of the lessons that I teach in my work is I use cliches. So I teach people about the universality of this work, the universality of highly complex problem solving, which is this work, and the universality of cliches. So most people who ever exist know at least one cliche. Life is like a box of chocolate. Life is like a cricket game. Life is like chess. Life is like designing a game. Whatever. You can use that parallel, whatever you want to call it, that cliche, and it teaches the same thing. If you drill down, go into the universal level, like I spoke of a moment ago, the lowest level possible, the root level, the concept, whatever the hell you want to call it, that doesn't matter.
Dr. H:
[7:42] Clichés teach the same crap. It's just that they use different words. So this group of clichés, such as life is like whatever, teaches that life is like this. It's got these kind of rules. If you master at this, you can use different syntax, semantics, excuse me, different words, but it's the same thing. So when I teach whoever I'm teaching, if I'm teaching, let's say federal police or lawyers, it's the same crap that I'm teaching, but I'm going to tweak it one. I don't even know if I would say 5%, 1% to 5%. So it sticks. So I'm going to use terminology that cops know or soldiers know or single parents know, whatever, but it's the same thing to get it to stick into them as I've said for since I was a kid.
Dr. H:
[8:35] It is never the student's fault, unless you have an idiot, of course, that just doesn't want to learn deliberately or some mental issue, obviously. It is always the teacher's fault. I don't care what goddamn excuse you have. It is your fault. So if you don't make the material relatable, it's your problem and you better find a solution to make it go into that student. Otherwise, that student is not benefiting from your knowledge and it is your fault. So that's what i do to make it to stick to people i get it on a very low level these are ridiculously complicated subjects if i give it in a way that like you said with the uh the way of the samurai the way of the blade in a very simple manner so everyone understands it very quickly.
Tyler:
[9:20] Yeah i mean it it's one of those things like i said where you could say it no matter how much you dumb it down or make it particular to one lifestyle or another lifestyle and i even hate that we're not that we're wrong but using words like dumb or idiot you know because i also i try to approach things especially when i was teaching like a it's on me to make this concept make sense to you but also some people it's oh yeah it's it's like not their fault that they are the way they are that they can't grasp a certain concept so you know if you have an aptitude in one direction uh so in my case it was like teaching students meteorology or something like that right sometimes people just aren't meant to be a meteorologist that's fair agreed
Dr. H:
[10:10] Agreed agreed definitely yeah go ahead sorry.
Tyler:
[10:14] No just like for some people fluid physics you know things like the coriolis effect are never going to make sense not because they're stupid because their mind doesn't function in that way right they they're not ready for that um and i try to think of it in almost like a you know a karmic way like eventually you know maybe in another life or whatever this will be your path but right now you're at this stage you're at the material world stage so i don't i used to get angry like watching i don't know people on reality tv and they're so so carelessly materialistic in my mind they're just they're morons like oh my goodness like how is this what you hear about Then I think, is this a decision for them to be that shallow, or is that who they are? Does Nickelback mean to write shitty music, or do they think they're writing great?
Dr. H:
[11:06] Yeah, I think we just lost half your listeners by saying that.
Tyler:
[11:10] It's okay.
Dr. H:
[11:12] I'm glad you said that. Now, there's a difference. You're completely correct. Now, there's a difference with someone who is, and I'm, as anyone knows who reads any of my information or sees a single media of mine, I'm an extremely in-your-face blunt person. I don't want to be an idiot, but it's because...
Dr. H:
[11:35] I only have a little bit of time and I want to do whatever the hell I can for humanity, for waking people up and realize, helping them realize that, you know, you can do this, you know, tremendously better. So, so I'm just a blunt person. But yeah, definitely. If someone is not wanting to, there's a difference between desire and aptitude. So anyone can get it. It is always a teacher's fault. You just have to find the way that resonates with that person. However, that does not mean that if that person understands it, because you did find the way to resonate that material with that person, that doesn't mean the person wants to continue learning it. They may have the aptitude if you have a good teacher, but they may not give a shit. Just like you said, if someone doesn't care for fluid dynamics or meteorology, they can do it just like anyone can accomplish anything as we know that if you put your heart and mind to it your desire your energy whatever you want to call it your drive in psychology we say your emotion drives you then you can accomplish anything however that doesn't mean everyone wants to do it but what we're saying you and i is that it is always a teacher's fault if you have someone that doesn't know something you better
Dr. H:
[12:53] make sure it resonates but that doesn't mean you force the learning upon them. You just try to help them understand if it's not meant for them this lifetime, as you said beautifully, then they move on.
Tyler:
[13:05] Yeah. It's one of those things that you hear a lot, especially in creative circles where people talk about like, oh, you're a painter or a musician or an artist of some kind. And you say, well, anyone could do this. All they have to do is try. And I'm like, in your statement, anyone can do this. It's always followed up by that if statement at the end. Like if they, if they cared enough, if they were willing to make the sacrifices in order to get there, if they were willing to put in the practice or all that stuff. So I used to be really idealistic and I've fallen into a pit of, you know, kind of trying to be that mentor where I'm like, yeah, you could do this, man. Like, and you root people along and you're like, oh, you, you got this. I'm sure anyone could do this if you give it. And then I always catch myself when I'm making that if you, if you cared statement.
Dr. H:
[13:55] Yeah so i i.
Tyler:
[13:58] Think as i've grown a little bit older maybe a little bit wiser i've come to kind of i i if you've seen the movie kill bill like the kung fu master where you show up the first day and he's like just go away and then if you come back the next day and the next day and you keep you keep showing up he's like all right i'll teach you something a
Dr. H:
[14:16] Little bit yeah i'm.
Tyler:
[14:17] Not wasting my yeah uh
Dr. H:
[14:20] And there yeah it seems cruel.
Tyler:
[14:22] But it's wise in so many ways
Dr. H:
[14:24] Yeah be correct and it's it's only because the people with skill such as in this case the kung fu master in the series kung fu also the old one with david carradine and also kill bill i don't know because i only saw like one section of kill bill the the scene with the the girl with the chain and ball because that was just like kick ass for me I saw it on my coldies that is so cool yeah so but with the kung fu thing that was actually supposed to be done by Bruce Lee but was taken by David Carradine, And the people with the masters with the great skill, they just want to see that their time's not being wasted. They want to see that the person that they're going to engage with for X amount of hours, years, is real. So, yeah, they put them through harsh times such as, like you said, the Kung Fu student or the aspiring Kung Fu student coming back again, again, again, waiting in the rain. And, you know, that's just how it is because otherwise a lot of people waste your time.
Tyler:
[15:31] You want to hear something weird that has nothing to do with what you just said? So my middle name is Kane because my mother named me for Kwai Chang Kane from the series Kung Fu.
Dr. H:
[15:44] Oh, God. You're like the only person I know about the TV show still. That is so cool. Yeah. You're not even old.
Tyler:
[15:53] No. No, no, no. And the only reason I really know Kung Fu is because my mom told me, she's like, yeah, I was watching Kung Fu. And I was like, that's a cool name. That'll be his middle name.
Dr. H:
[16:02] But yeah, that's so cool, man. That was a great show. I don't know why it's not that popular anymore. I mean, I know it's gone, but it was a wonderful show. Great lessons, too.
Tyler:
[16:12] Yeah. A lot of the television series from that time frame nowadays are, you know, on... We have, like, all these different services that are sort of just live broadcasting whatever properties they own. And for whatever reason, I guess Warner Brothers decided not to just freely syndicate Kung Fu. I don't know who knows why that is ownership, all that stuff in the film industry and everything, but it's probably someone wants to see it.
Dr. H:
[16:40] Perhaps. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely I agree. It's it's quite hard to find because I have looked for it a few years ago.
Tyler:
[16:47] Yeah. Where are you from originally?
Dr. H:
[16:52] Chicago from America. So, yeah, I but I move all over the place now. People ask you, they say, hey, doctor, where do you live? I just say earth and I'm only half joking because, you know, I'm talking with you from Bombay and two weeks ago, I was in Bangkok. And then before that, I was in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Then before that, I was in Saigon, Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh City is the other name for it. And then before that, I was in Bangkok. And yeah, so I I'm highly nomadic. I move all over the place.
Tyler:
[17:26] You like Asia? Yeah.
Dr. H:
[17:28] I love almost anywhere, but Southeast Asia is my favorite place and Bangkok is my favorite city by far because it's just ridiculously big. Being from a big city myself, I need the noise, I need the energy, I need the 5 million people around me. I don't like towns and quiet areas, so it's wonderful.
Tyler:
[17:51] I need to put in the time to go do a proper tour of Asia. I've been all over Europe and, of course, all over North America and everything.
Dr. H:
[18:02] That was in your military, right? Over Europe?
Tyler:
[18:06] Well, I only stayed stateside the entire time I was in the military. It wasn't until after I got out, I went to work for a video game company. So I lived in northern Denmark for a couple years. And while I was in Europe, I'll go to Switzerland, I'll go to Sweden, I'll go to Czech Republic, I'll go to Slovakia, Germany several times, the UK, you know, just, just get out and see as much as I could while I was there. I didn't see everything and I'm sure I'll go, you know, different trips at different points, but for now I'm back in the States.
Dr. H:
[18:41] Wow.
Tyler:
[18:41] Yeah.
Dr. H:
[18:42] That's great. You speak any other languages?
Tyler:
[18:45] Not fluently. I study a lot of languages. I would describe myself as a linguist, but not an interpreter for sure. Like I study right now Hebrew in the military. I studied Arabic and Spanish high school,
Dr. H:
[19:01] French.
Tyler:
[19:02] So I have like a, I would say I have a rudimentary understanding of lots of different languages, but I'm only a master of English.
Dr. H:
[19:10] Okay. And Arabic, I'm guessing it was MSA, modern standard Arabic?
Tyler:
[19:15] No. We did learn Fusa to some degree, but my specialty was Iraqi Arabic. And this is during the time that ISIS was taking over the north of Iraq. That was kind of our goal. Get a bunch of people who could really speak that tongue.
Tyler:
[19:33] I think I was the very first Iraqi class that they taught at the Defense Language Institute. If I'm not mistaken. Prior to that, it was just...
Dr. H:
[19:42] Where was it?
Tyler:
[19:44] Monterey, California.
Dr. H:
[19:46] Okay, okay. Yeah, Arabic is actually... I've studied over 30 languages, but that doesn't mean I speak it. I just had to study because with my work being in holism, I have to study a whole bunch of crap all the time. But Arabic is actually my favorite language, specifically Levantine, spoken in palestine lebanon syria and jordan and i i love that language yeah i could still read and write it but my vocabulary is like a.
Tyler:
[20:16] Joke i i tend to you know like if i'm at an international festival or if i'm at a restaurant or something like that i'll go up and be like oh and try to spark a little conversation to see what i still know and then usually there you know people are like you speak too properly you know even yeah or you sound you sound like you're from this region which is like hilarious i was speaking to this egyptian uh pilot one time he's a captain in the egyptian army and you know i walk up to him and i'm trying to be conversational in arabic and he's laughing because he's like he i understand you but you sound like a redneck from america who also learned arabic from someone who's from iraq and i'm like well that is true and then and egyptians have this thing where they they every th sound so dod is like it's all z this is this is a right they're almost the french of the arabic world and so he had a funny to me he had a funny accent. Then when I was in school, we had a, an Iraqi teacher. He was from, I think I want to say it was from Baghdad, but his English was perfect. Scottish. Like as if you live. Yeah. So he, he looked like Robin Williams.
Tyler:
[21:40] But with darker skin and he spoke perfectly as if he were straight out of Highlander or something like that.
Dr. H:
[21:47] Wow.
Tyler:
[21:49] It was just so fantastic. And I'm like, how did you like, where did you learn English? And he's like, Oh, well my wife is from Scotland. So most of the time that I speak English, it's with her. And that's how I enunciate. And I'm like, that is so funny. Yeah.
Dr. H:
[22:05] Nice. That's so cool. Scottish English is the most difficult to ever understand of any English dialect in my studies, in my experience, in my opinion. It's so funny. I actually had a guy in our lodge, a lodge brother, who was from Scotland. And every time he came over to America to visit us, no one knew what the hell he's saying. He'd come up to us. I remember one time he came up to me and he started a really super nice guy. At that time, he was like maybe 70, 75, something like that. He's like speaking. He's like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He walks away. Another brother comes up to me. He's like, you understand what he's saying? I'm like, no idea. Scottish language is really cool. The Scottish accent, really.
Tyler:
[22:57] Yeah, we had a game designer named Robert. He's been on the show before but he is very scottish big mountain of a man and we were doing this game showcase where he was going to do an interview about uh the game he was putting out at the time it was called kingpin and okay yeah we subtitled him like for the show we had people from all over the world in this thing we had a polish guy with a polish accent and he was the only person we had to subtitle he was the only person we were nervous that people wouldn't understand yeah and we put gaelic font on it and everything just to be nice i
Dr. H:
[23:32] I really like the accents but it's difficult to understand.
Tyler:
[23:37] Touring around all these different places and, you know, because having even, I'm lucky, but all of the foreign countries that I've been in for the most part, at least were Latin characters and Germanic languages to me are really easy, at least to read. Like living in Denmark's not that bad. You can figure out what a hospital is. It's spelled pretty close to hospital in English, but in Asia. I imagine just trying to live life, grasping all of these different characters and concepts and navigations and stuff. What are some of the little subtleties that you have to deal with?
Dr. H:
[24:13] Well of course just logically speaking anytime you're correct anytime you have you're from a latin-based language area of course that means english the romance languages and you go into a non-latin-based language area cyrillic asian all that stuff then of course you're going to at the onset have a much more difficult time to know what the hell to see or say or anything on top that's number one number two typically when you have non-latin languages they are the cognates are non-existent or very few almost non-existent.
Dr. H:
[25:00] Cognates meaning exactly what you just said, where in Denmark, the word hospital, you can pretty much make it out because it sounds the same or it is the same, maybe just pronounced differently. Those are cognates. And then when you have languages of a different writing system, then the cognates almost disappear. So when I worked in China and Thailand and Vietnam, you know, you don't have a word for toilet. That sounds like toilet in their languages. So you don't have police. You don't have hospital. Doctor is really common in many languages. But yeah you really have to plan ahead using some kind of translator before the google translator came about and was very popular i actually went around with a notebook paper and pencil just having my clients say hey i said hey can you write down hospital police and all that stuff if i ever need it i turn left turn right and all that stuff so they gave me a notebook and filled it up with text so yeah it's it's interesting but it's it's really fun you know i'm uh i'm the definition of a nerd so i love
Dr. H:
[26:19] learning anything so languages and stuff i'm really happy to do as well some.
Tyler:
[26:24] Of the best advice i was ever given was that you know if you're gonna travel around to different places you just need to learn to kind of be okay with whatever happens and then you'll never be disappointed so like something as simple as you go into a restaurant in spain or something like that and then the guy comes up and he's like you know what are you going to drink? But he says it in Spanish and you're like, just smile and nod. And then he's like, vino. And you're like, yeah, see vino. Okay. Yeah. Got one coming. Blanco. Rojo. And you're like, es igual. Just learn how to say like, it doesn't matter in whatever language you're in, like anything. Yeah. It's fine. Be happy with what you get and then be able to just kind of live with that. That's, that's nice. But you know, for the particular things I had this experience, I was in a restaurant in Denmark. And so the word for chicken is Killing, K-Y-L-L-I-N-G. And it's very important that Y in Danish is the U sound because an English speaker would say that Killing, which means kitten. So I sat down and ordered Killing, Javaha and Killing, Sandvich or something like that. And he's like, what? Speak English, man. I can speak English. Oh, okay.
Dr. H:
[27:41] Well speaking this because you are totally screwing up my language you're.
Tyler:
[27:49] Not you're not we don't serve kitten here that's disgusting
Dr. H:
[27:51] Yeah get.
Tyler:
[27:52] Out of my
Dr. H:
[27:53] Restaurant you american scum what's the old.
Tyler:
[27:56] Joke about like uh do you want a fork on the table you want a sheet in the bed that kind of
Dr. H:
[28:00] Thing oh god yeah i've never heard of that but i get it when you say it yeah yeah just nice there's.
Tyler:
[28:08] So many little subtleties that can happen uh from linguistic different symbols all around
Dr. H:
[28:14] But yeah language is really cool it.
Tyler:
[28:19] Sounds like a lot of fun though i mean i i think it would get exhausting at a certain point if you don't have especially if you're you don't have the option you know to speak english because i think i was very most people in europe speak english or know someone who speaks english very quickly
Dr. H:
[28:34] Right i.
Tyler:
[28:35] Imagine in the bigger cities like i don't know bangkok you could find someone who speaks english so somewhat but embedding yourself in it is also a fun challenge i'm sure
Dr. H:
[28:44] Yes yeah and you're correct the the bigger cities across the world you have a far grander probability of finding english speakers of course and what i like to do i like to embed myself in the culture so i i never like to do tourist stuff so you know you won't find me at the eiffel tower or something like that I like to to go in the middle of the culture where the people actually live and you know eat the street food and all that stuff you gotta make sure you have a very good stomach though that's for sure and if you don't then you can build yourself up not giving medical advice of course don't do this but I had to do that and build myself up and now I can eat all kinds of like, stuff from really dirty looking street stalls and I'm perfectly fine. But I love to do that, to go into the mix of the real of the people, not the stuff words, tourism, and then they cost five X more and all that stuff. And that's where you really learn and get an idea of the people, the mindset, the culture, and the language, of course, because you can force yourself to speak that language or at least get used to it even if it's really shittily spoken by you at least you're trying you know because in the tourist areas they speak more english and they can bend to you more but it's a grander experience people.
Tyler:
[30:10] Appreciate it you know when you at least show gratitude you know that you're trying to speak in their language at all just something as simple as saying thank you, you know, gracias, chakran, whatever, wherever you are, that goes a long way.
Tyler:
[30:26] And it's frustrating, I think, for me in Northern Europe in general, people would like apologize to you for speaking their native language and they realize that you don't speak it. They're like, oh, I'm sorry, I should have just spoken English to you. I'm like, first of all, how could you have known? And secondly, like, I just put myself, I put myself in the perspective of if you were in America and you didn't speak English, no one is going to help you at all. They're just going to tell you, learn English, go back to your country. And I don't want to be like, the fact that you're apologizing to me for not speaking my native language while I'm in your country is hilarious. So don't worry about it.
Dr. H:
[31:05] But yeah.
Tyler:
[31:08] In general, though, go ahead.
Dr. H:
[31:10] Sorry.
Tyler:
[31:11] No, you go ahead.
Dr. H:
[31:13] Yeah, you got to have an open mind. And what's more, the most prominent reason, in my opinion, in my experience, is with my work with teaching people to divorce from themselves forever, always divorce from yourself. I say for years that one of the best ways to get a new mindset, to break your own mindset, is travel. And you get exposed to different mindsets, different ways of thinking, different languages, obviously, and different ways of doing stuff, having more patience, having less patience, whatever the hell it is, it doesn't matter, but it starts to break at your iceberg of a calcified mindset so you can start to slowly be more open to different ideas and traveling is an excellent way to open the mind, rejuvenate, refresh, but also build a more powerful ideating mindset, a more powerful problem-solving mindset. So it works in many ways.
Tyler:
[32:18] Are you traveling to your clientele or are you sort of just digital nomad online, like doing your, I almost used the word coach, I'm sorry, doing your thing?
Dr. H:
[32:30] Damn it. It's it's both actually so most of the time i'm called wherever so i i mean i can get a phone call right now during this interview saying hey dr herman come to france italy whatever that's most of the time but most of my sorry when i travel that's most of the reasons that i travel but my work in general is mostly online so i'm digital nomad i can work from anywhere But when I travel, because my work is just universal.
Dr. H:
[33:09] I am extraordinarily lucky and fortunate that my work is called upon wherever I go. So I also teach at different universities across the world. And whenever I go to any country, I'm always getting contacted by whatever entity in that country saying, hey, Dr. Herman, we know you're here. Can you come and do a speech at this university? Can you come and help us solve this issue at this company? Can you help? Can you be on the board of this entrepreneur accelerator or incubator, whatever? So because my work is across the world and across countries and even languages, I also do it when it's translated live, when I'm giving a workshop to whoever and I have one translator, then I'm very lucky that I'm called in many places. So that to answer your question, sometimes it's when I just want to go somewhere and I'm like, I don't give a shit where I go. I know I always have work. But most of the time it is because I have some client
Dr. H:
[34:15] or something calling me elsewhere.
Tyler:
[34:17] Right. Did you? When did you first become interested in metaphysics?
Dr. H:
[34:26] Oh, when I was eight, the story. Sorry?
Tyler:
[34:35] It sounds like there's a story coming, that's all.
Dr. H:
[34:38] Yes, yes, there is. So when I was eight, like I said, I am the definition of a nerd. I'm psychotic, and I do mean that word psychotic for knowledge. Nothing else is before knowledge for me. So when I was eight and I wrote about this in I'm sorry I didn't write about it I was asked about it in I think two or three interviews that I spoke about it that are printed online.
Dr. H:
[35:05] So when I was eight I was uh watching the price is right the good one with Bob Barker not the new shit and uh that's my opinion and the the price is right and I remember I was eight years old and I was staying home from school. I don't know why, but I was laying down in the bed of my dad's bed and I was alone in his bedroom. And Bob Barker said to the contestant at the end of the showcase showdown, when you spin the wheel to get to a dollar or close to a dollar without going over, and one person already won, but you usually get two spins. But the one person won with only one spin the second spin wasn't needed so the other contestants who lost went off the stage but the host bob barker the old guy he said why don't you come over here and we'll spin again see what you would have gotten and when he said that i'm eight years old and i didn't study you know quantum physics or systems there or anything like that at that moment but right away i said to myself.
Dr. H:
[36:13] That doesn't prove anything. I said, the fact of that person spinning that wheel now doesn't mean anything. We wouldn't know that they would have gotten that same number on the wheel because you have different variables that are now into play. Now that person would have taken XMI steps differently than they would have taken if you didn't tell them to spin a second time just for the hell of it because they would have concentrated in a different way. They would have stepped differently. They would have grabbed differently the wheel. They would have applied different pressure differently on the wheel. They would have had different body posture than they would have one minute ago or 10 minutes ago or whatever it was. So, and in systems theory, specifically in chaos theory, we have SDIC, sensitive dependence on initial conditions. It's just a fancy way of saying all tiny shit creates bigger trajectories. So every minute variable that is different, it creates a different trajectory. It's the same thing when you go to sniper school.
Dr. H:
[37:22] When you are learning to be a sniper, tiny movements in your position equal grand movements in the trajectory. So if you have a target that, let's say, let's say like two miles away and you move a hair to the right, of course, in your immediate space, it's just a hair to the right. But when the bullet comes out, it's going to be a far different target. More hit than it was before you moved it. So that's how I got into all this stuff. And that led me into metaphysics because metaphysics is from the Greek word. It's two sections, meta and physique. Meta meaning above or beyond, physic meaning pertaining to the physical world. So that got me into saying, okay, there's a science called metaphysics where you study all the weird stuff all the unseen stuff typically i'm seeing anyway
Dr. H:
[38:23] that create this world and that bob barker story is the first memory that i have about all of it.
Tyler:
[38:31] That's wild that what is the price is right of all things set you on that journey uh it just hit me the other day that like i think i saw a commercial or something for drew carey on the price is right and i thought about it i'm like yeah i remember when drew carey was the new guy on the show like holy cow i'm getting you i'm
Dr. H:
[38:56] Older than you i do like drew carey though i will say that.
Tyler:
[38:58] I loved uh whose line is it anyway i gotta give him that yes
Dr. H:
[39:02] Yeah he was that was great with him now i don't even watch it with the other host.
Tyler:
[39:07] Yeah i didn't even know that there was a new one i yeah i had so much little time for tv these days i spend way more time reading or you know hanging out with my son or something like that keeping up with the jones is not for me but yeah
Dr. H:
[39:25] Yeah i i don't know when the last time was when i owned a television but i mean partially is because i i am just ridiculously nomadic but it's always youtube and discovery channel and if i'm in a hotel, netflix or an airbnb netflix with uh documentaries i don't watch the dumb shit reality stuff and everything i don't care for that.
Tyler:
[39:52] So from the price is right uh setting you on that path to questioning the nature of reality you know you you go on what do you just do you go to school right after you graduated high school or...
Dr. H:
[40:07] Oh, no, actually, I've always been a nerd, but I was adamant against ever getting a degree. I really wanted to, because I'm, yeah, yeah, I know that sounds weird. It's like, hey, doctor, you have six degrees. Yeah, I have six degrees. But before I got the degrees, I was like, I was adamant against it because I'm for the people. I know I'm a very blunt forceful person but again it's not to be a dipshit or a piece of garbage it's to extraordinarily help people as deep and as fast as possible so I wanted to do whatever the hell I wanted to do and say look I did it without a degree you guys can do it who are villagers and have no money or people who are single mothers single fathers and all that stuff but I came upon And in my travels and work, before I got any degree, I came upon some doctors, PhDs and MDs, but mostly PhDs and DBAs.
Dr. H:
[41:19] And they said, okay, well, you can do that, that's fine, but it would probably be better if you get the accolades first, if you get the pedigree first, then you'll have more power in delivering your message. And I was really against that. I was like, no, man, then I'm like betraying, you know, what I want to do and the people and stuff. I was really against it. But they convinced me because they deeply cared for me. We were extremely close. And I'm like, okay, fine. I'll just get the fucking associate's degree. And then I got the associate's degree. But it took me 11 years to get a two-year degree because I kept moving around and stuff. But when I got the associate's degree, I'm like, then I went back to my friends, the doctor's.
Dr. H:
[42:11] And I said, you know, this is what I do. And they're like, well, at least get a master's degree, though you really should get a doctorate. And I'm like, hell no, I'm not getting a damn doctorate. That's like eight or 12 years. So I got the associates. I'm like, all right, I might just go for the stupid bachelors. And then at that point, I said, all right, now I'm going to get everything. It was like, like if you saw the movie.
Dr. H:
[42:38] Oh, shit. Over the top with Sylvester Stallone, he talks about, I love that movie, man. I've seen it so many goddamn times when he talks near the end about how he turns his hat around and his hat is like a switch. And when he turns it back, he said, I feel like invincible, like a truck. So at that moment, it was just a switch that turned on me. I don't know where the hell it came from or what, but I was like,
Dr. H:
[43:03] fuck this. I'm going to get all this shit right away. And bam, bam bam that's when i got all six degrees i got the associates two bachelors two masters and the doctorate and sometime i hope before i leave this planet i'm gonna get another doctorate and yeah that's that's where it all came about and now i have extremely good pedigree i'm very lucky very fortunate and i get more money of course but more importantly i get more, opportunity to profess my message to people of you know wake up don't be dumb asses glued to social media and distractions and stuff but wake up to your potential and change the world and people listen more what.
Tyler:
[43:48] Is it what was your thesis in just out of curiosity
Dr. H:
[43:55] Well, so people confuse theses with dissertations. Theses are for masters. Dissertations are for doctorates. You mean the master's theses?
Tyler:
[44:06] Yeah. I mean, both, obviously.
Dr. H:
[44:09] We'll go in order. Okay. Okay. So my first master's is in linguistics. And I told you I like languages. And that was basically on the language to build or destroy an empire.
Dr. H:
[44:31] And it was basically on the phonology, which is the study of sound, phonemes, to be able to build people up or build an entity up. In this case, entity typically means person also. But in my case, I was referring to a legacy or an empire, corporation, whatever. So the way that you speak, the mannerisms, you can completely screw with people and reverse the entire language saying love means hate and hate means love. And it works because it's based on the power behind those words. In this case, the sound, in this case, the phonemes, which is the scientific word for sound. So that was that. And then my other master's is in metaphysical psychology, or sorry, metaphysical science. And that was basically the same thing, but from the point of the books that are already out there that profess the same thing, but using different language. So you have you have.
Dr. H:
[45:40] Bob Proctor the old guy that died I want to say 10 years ago he was in the movie The Secret the guy with the pure white hair Tony Robbins you have you have.
Dr. H:
[45:52] Uh, Dr. Joe Dispenza, all these high gurus that profess the same message, they're just using different language. So I was basically going in and saying, Hey, the words don't matter. It's go deeper, go deeper. It's the universal algorithm, foundation, concept, rule, whatever you want to call it. Like we spoke of at the beginning of this conversation, you have to dig deep so those were the two theses and then the dissertation for the doctor in metaphysical psychology that was basically the same thing but expanded upon in a huge way on destroying or building an empire or legacy just much more metaphysical nomenclature obviously but metaphysical principles and concepts that are backed by so-called mainstream science.
Tyler:
[46:52] I would i would posit that many great empires do seem to have advantage we we have this idea right that well we just speak english because well england was in a lot of places and then it's an easy language to learn or something like that but i think it's more like england was able to do what they were to do largely because of their language. And the same thing applies to Rome, for instance. Like, Latin being their language of choice was a language that, unlike English, is much easier to learn. Like, it's pretty adaptable. And their ability to communicate complex ideas...
Tyler:
[47:34] Efficiently makes for a society that functions in a way that's reflective of the language that they speak in the way that they understand things and their ability to communicate quickly so for instance if you go to uh south korea right and you have all these uh their army is basically embedded with our army um so they all of their soldiers get basically attached to someone in the american army for their duration of their stay and their pilots pilots have to speak in english while they're on duty because their language is structured in such a way that there's all of these courtesies you have to give subordination to your higher ranking people and all this kind of stuff and in english that doesn't exist in the same way so it's inefficient like it's impossible to get anything done if you have to you know communicate to that person in the korean language with the korean customs you can't get anything done and if it's like the plane's on fire we don't have time for you to say all that stuff yeah
Dr. H:
[48:34] Just speak english yeah.
Tyler:
[48:35] Get it out quickly efficiently easy to understand the words need to mean exactly what they mean but this is also why i mean if you have a book that's written in english and you translate the exact same book word for word into spanish the spanish book is dramatically longer because it takes more syllables to express the same idea takes in many cases more words they meant there may not be a single word that means i'm just throwing stuff out there but in english we just have the word equilibrium in another language you may have to say six words to describe right
Dr. H:
[49:07] One word right.
Tyler:
[49:08] Um i'm just curious what did you learn from from talking about and studying empires i
Dr. H:
[49:18] Want to give like three long answers to that question, but I won't. No, absolutely. So I'll answer your immediate question, I agree that English is more concise. It's not the most concise, but it is extraordinarily concise. And everything you said, I agree with.
Tyler:
[49:41] It's going to be English or German. And we won that war.
Dr. H:
[49:45] Yeah.
Dr. H:
[49:49] And that's one reason why I don't study a lot of languages that I really want to study. So I speak three languages.
Dr. H:
[49:58] I speak English, obviously. I speak Hindi. The indian language hindi and if you speak hindi by default by de facto you speak urdu because hindi and urdu are like 85 similar maybe 90 the big difference is the script hindi uses the dev nagari script which is what everyone can envision when they think of hindi language but urdu spoken in pakistan uses arabic script it's the same crap for the most part but urdu is actually considered the more posh language when you talk about hindi versus urdu urdu is more you know upper class supposed so i don't so i only speak english hindi and urdu and russian was the first language i studied at 12 years old i taught myself i could still read and write everything but my vocabulary There's probably only like 200 words, maybe 300 if I really think about it. So I could just do basic conversation now. But I would love to study more languages, but I don't study a lot of languages because to me, I'm ridiculously into systems with my work. Universal systems, holistic systems, chaos systems, general systems.
Dr. H:
[51:20] So I don't like, I hate languages where, like you just said, in order to say one goddamn word in English, you got to say six words. And Italian, I really want to study Italian for years so badly, but I refuse to do it because, you know, in order for you to say something, just like you made up equilibrium, I'm just going to make up something here. So in order for you to say gray elephant, you have to say elephant of the gray of Saint Santa de Domingo and all that stuff. It's like, Jesus Christ, you know, I'm not going to do that. And I'm not slamming the language. If you think so, you're an idiot. I'm not doing that. I'm just giving an example. But that's why I don't study that. There's another language that I'm trying to remember right now. There are many languages like that. So yeah, English is concise. And then regarding the first part of your question, when you first started, about the control and the ease of conquering or creating an empire is language. That's a huge part. And just like you rightly said, England, or rather Britain, there's a phrase that said the sun never went down on the British Empire. and the British Empire was the biggest empire in all of history.
Dr. H:
[52:43] So one of the ways that you accomplish that is to stifle people if you see another language up and coming because people are unified by language. So if you want to be a piece of crap and keep people down, you better stifle their language because if you unify people and you allow that language to get more...
Dr. H:
[53:08] Ubiquitous more spread out or unifying different people across the world there's a good chance that you'll have some type of trouble down the line not trouble but trouble for you if you're going to try to you know keep people under your tight rein of english so not.
Tyler:
[53:26] Only from their sense of nationality but also their ability to communicate such that you can't understand what they're saying
Dr. H:
[53:33] Exactly, exactly.
Tyler:
[53:34] It's like two generations to erase that.
Dr. H:
[53:37] Yes, exactly. And I really like how you came in right now and said their sense of a nationality. That is one of the reasons why they stifled the language of the Indians. You know, you had to assimilate into English. That's one of the reasons why they stifle the language of any entity that has a language that is not of the ruling party. So whether you like it or not, it is what it is. That's how the world works. It shouldn't be, but it is, and that's one way you create and perpetuate or destroy an empire is via language.
Tyler:
[54:12] Um, and it brings, I can't remember his name, but the, the Viking who sort of named Normandy, you know, he had come in and conquered part of France and then he made a treaty like, I'm cool. We're cool. And the French were like, well, I'm going to live here. You, you got to rule as the Lord of that area and you've got to be Christian. And he was like, no, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to keep on worshiping Thor and, and Loki and Odin. Uh you know we could otherwise we're cool and then all they had to do is basically just all right well that's that's fine you can do that but it'd be cool if you could send your son to us in paris so that we can educate him you know to be french and then his son becomes a christian and speaks french and then yeah then there's no more viking you know no no more true i should say i don't even know what the proper word is anymore heathen nordic yeah yeah yeah i understand two generations later it didn't exist yeah
Dr. H:
[55:18] I i i could be wrong but my opinion is i'm pretty damn sure those people who invited the sun over knew what the hell they were going to do and knew what would be the outcome yeah yeah language is very powerful.
Tyler:
[55:33] The line in uh braveheart where they're like well if we can't kill them breed them out that's yeah yeah for sure that was the way the british empire thought and they were not the first people to have that thought genghis khan knew that lots of people knew that it's terrible to you know to say it in such harsh terms but that is quite literally how it happens yeah
Dr. H:
[55:55] It is what it is if you want use baby terms or direct terms. It's the same thing. Yeah, it's the world is... I'll be careful what I say here, but the world is a disgusting place and it is... There's a lot of evil truths that rule this planet.
Tyler:
[56:21] Yeah. No doubt. Anybody who's, you know, been a cop, EMT, military, traveled to a third world country, could put two and two together on that. But I think, you know, at least we Americans who have not traveled outside of the country, who don't also live in, like, South Side Chicago or something like that, don't necessarily grasp that. Yeah. That goes back to what we were saying earlier about like, well, am I mad at you because you don't know this? Or should I tell you? Would you even understand if I told you if I try to explain that? That's the hardest part, I think, is when you want someone to know the truth, whatever that happens to be. And then you just have to kind of accept it like they're not,
Tyler:
[57:05] they ain't coming over here. They're over there.
Dr. H:
[57:08] Right um yeah i i sometimes i jokingly say well i'm only half jokingly unfortunately.
Dr. H:
[57:18] That i'm also a farmer actually i think i wrote this yeah i'm pretty sure i wrote this in my, one of my books um i've i just released my 12th book last month i don't know i think it was number 11 or something like that and i wrote that, I'm a very forceful person and I accomplished this and I create change agents across the world. But also the other thing that I do is being a farmer and you just got to plant the seed sometimes. Sometimes people are just either they're too stupid and I don't say that necessarily as an insult. Sometimes I mean it, but not in this case. They're just too stupid to get concepts. so you just lay down the truth lay down the seed and hope they get it later and the other time is that when you're planting the seed but you know that they're just forcibly holding on to something that they really don't believe but they're going to believe it anyway because it's their comfort zone so you have no choice you will never win against stupidity stupidity will forever win against intelligence so you just you know plant the
Dr. H:
[58:38] seed as you said and hopefully they come around sometime sure.
Tyler:
[58:43] Yeah ignorance is bliss sometimes i'm jealous sometimes i wish i could like just go back to that very limited point of view because it's like you don't have you don't have as many things to worry about and there's that old idea like kind of the think i think literally this is out of the Havamal, like, Odin says, like, too much wisdom is bad, because once you become, you know, when you have the gift of he uses some other word that we don't understand anymore, but he's using words that get translated into like this idea that wisdom is sort of clairvoyance like being able to tell the future is because you have seen patterns and you can extrapolate
Dr. H:
[59:25] Right and.
Tyler:
[59:26] If you don't see those patterns you're not wise you don't worry about as much and it's like a foolish man you know knows too many things and stays up all night worrying about them and a happy person you know they go to bed at night close their eyes yeah not thinking about what's going on on the other side of the earth not thinking about oh my goodness is this life even real am i going to wake up tomorrow all that stuff yeah a lot of anxiety
Dr. H:
[59:53] And yeah unfortunately you're correct i wish i could argue with you but my colleagues and i have said for years we wish we just like you said sometimes we wish we were dumb we wish the truth was not the truth and there's a i think it's a poem if i remember correctly one of my friends who's a very famous uh media person in a very obscure religion and the poem that he reads says something like the truth of this universe is horror but with that horror comes hope so when you learn in my opinion in my spirituality i'm not religious but i'm spiritual and in my spiritual journey and truth what i feel is the absolute truth when you first come upon the truth of this universe of this existence it is man you you almost want a goddamn cry and i really mean that i'm not exaggerating it is so fucking scary and screwed up it's a goddamn horror movie and i wish i was joking but when you get over that initial disgusting shock then you.
Dr. H:
[1:01:21] Can start to think and be like okay well we know that now but there's hope if.
Dr. H:
[1:01:27] We do things this way and it's true sometimes you wish you didn't know things you.
Tyler:
[1:01:32] Ever read the book fight club chuck
Dr. H:
[1:01:35] Palahniuk no no i i saw the movie i couldn't stand it but i do like the concept especially the psychological concept because i love psychology but please continue go ahead oh.
Tyler:
[1:01:46] There's a there's the line it's also in the movie where tyler or i should say Tyler is speaking to the narrator who spoiler alert they're the same guy
Dr. H:
[1:01:56] Yeah I know.
Tyler:
[1:01:59] He's saying like okay what if you know how like your dad didn't like you and he ran off on you and your mom what if god did the same thing what if he it did create the universe but he doesn't doesn't like you doesn't care about you like he just left and now we're down here and i'm not saying that's the truth by any stretch of the imagination but i mean it's that book does so many great ways of trying to like explore those metaphors of why people feel so lost and why is the world so ugly and why you know why why do i make all these terrible decisions and all that kind of stuff and as you said it the more you the more you dig into it the more it doesn't it's like the more it doesn't make sense the more it does make sense the more it doesn't make sense it's like this infinite paradox and
Tyler:
[1:02:47] Then you know the hermetic philosophers would say like of course there has to be a paradox so everything is polar and then also they're part of the same thing so every paradox does have a solution and the solution is why not both things why does it have to be one or the other um yeah and in kabbalah it's the you know what is it the column of you know the center column not the not extreme not emotion not intuition not wisdom not strictly logic in between balance uh yin and yang and history philosophy and so on yeah but it's uh i have a lot of people on the show who have opinions but since you have a degree to philosophize on such things what do you reckon is the nature of reality well
Dr. H:
[1:03:34] I usually don't go into this but since you directly asked me, Let me first discern your question. I won't reveal anything if I don't have to. So you asked the question, what's the nature of reality? You're just talking about in general. You're not talking about anything regarding spirituality and end game, correct?
Tyler:
[1:04:06] I would like to know the answer to all of those questions. Or at least for a professional. I'm sure the people listening would like to know what you think about it.
Dr. H:
[1:04:16] Don't.
Tyler:
[1:04:17] Don't worry you there lots of people have different opinions and have come on here and said different things and i'm open to whatever you may think and if i disagree with you then i'll just go on being ignorant
Dr. H:
[1:04:26] No no maybe i'm ignorant you don't know that um no and i only said god damn it not to like oh i'm gonna reveal something i don't give a shit but it just said it's heavy stuff so okay so the nature of reality so i've been not that
Dr. H:
[1:04:42] i know everything and i'm completely correct. Of course, I think I'm correct for my path, for my spiritual path. I may die and be completely wrong. We don't know that. We won't know that until we die for certain. So with that preface, in my experience and research of over 40 years in metaphysics and religion and a lot of other crap and science reality is nothing whatsoever except mind it is nothing except whatever the hell you want to call it frequency energy manifestation that.
Dr. H:
[1:05:37] Is begat by mind and that's just not some something i believe if you study history's greatest thinkers including nobel laureates who may not have been classified as greatest thinkers but they are nobel laureates, A lot of them say the same thing. Actually, Einstein, I'm trying to remember the quote, he said something like, the field is the governing entity of all matter. And when you study Max Planck, when you study Nikola Tesla, Erwin Schrödinger, all these ridiculous minds, also the ancient Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, everyone always says the same shit, including jesus everything is derived from mind spirit soul is a part of mind but it's all mine so.
Tyler:
[1:06:37] You know what's to answer your question audience yeah is that they're not going to ask you to cite any of those quotes except for jesus they're going to want to know oh god Okay.
Dr. H:
[1:06:52] Well, thank you. I will say this. So I'm a Gnostic. Sorry?
Tyler:
[1:07:00] So for what it's worth, I agree with you.
Dr. H:
[1:07:02] Oh, thank you. Thank you. So I'm a Gnostic. So when you look at the Gnostic teachings, it is very easy to find then the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. But if you're not Gnostic and you say, oh, Gnostics are a bunch of idiots, that's okay. You can say that. But also when you look at the message, not the words, but the underlying message in linguistics is called pragmatics. Discourse analysis also is a part of it too. You're studying the meaning behind what people say. What do they really mean? And why the hell did they say it this way?
Dr. H:
[1:07:40] So the core message was that everything is within you. All the power is within you. The kingdom is within you. I'm not a Christian. I'm a Gnostic. They're quite different.
Dr. H:
[1:07:52] But, yeah, so sorry, I'm going back to where I was continuing here.
Dr. H:
[1:07:59] So Jesus said that, and the Nobel laureates, the greatest thinkers, they say the same thing. The sages, the wise men across history, across countries and cultures, they say the same crap. And eventually, when you're a policeman and you're questioning 20 people for murder or whatever crime, doesn't matter what it is, you're questioning 20 people. At some point when you realize 19 of those people are saying the same shit, just with different words, maybe even different languages, you better fucking look into the same message that they're looking, that they're spouting, the core of what they're spouting. The core of what they're spouting is, in my example here, it was done by a white guy who was blonde, who was between five, six, and six feet, fat, he had a peg leg, whatever. But the core behind all their semantics, all their nomenclature, all their language is that. And the core, when you study history's greatest thinkers and religious thinkers, such as Jesus and Buddha, The same message comes about again and again from people who are divorced across millennia, across space and time. So that is a very powerful neutral variable that says this is probably true. So that's my answer.
Tyler:
[1:09:28] You said earlier you had a brother in your lodge who was Scottish. Can you say what lodge this is?
Dr. H:
[1:09:36] I'm a Freemason.
Tyler:
[1:09:38] Okay. Yeah, okay. You're saying a lot of things that I'm like, I think I know. Yeah.
Dr. H:
[1:09:44] Okay, cool.
Dr. H:
[1:09:47] End the interview now.
Tyler:
[1:09:50] Now we can really talk. Turn on the camera so I can see your secret handshake or whatever. Um no i i've been i've been doing the uh you know classes like recently on oh led better and blavatsky and you know wb yates and crowby and all the wonderful victorian folks who you know had for the first time ever these great revelations i broke open the the kabbalion last night but my son didn't want me to read it he wanted me to spend time with him um but yeah like just as you said so many different people so many different backgrounds so many different times in history sometimes through passing that language and i mean not the language that they speak but i mean the idea behind them down generation to generation culture to culture across time and some of it through independent revelation arriving at the same core sets of truths which is that uh none of this shit matters it's all in buddha's work you know it's an illusion what you're doing here is nothing compared to what you're doing above this yeah and
Tyler:
[1:11:06] The theosophists had uh you know the seven tiered thing but i mean whatever perspective you want to look at it from i look at it nowadays because i'm a game designer i'm always thinking about like okay we're kind of creating our own little universe in this computer right right what is the experience of that thing of course it's not conscious but of course maybe the thing that's making my simulation doesn't think i'm conscious maybe my consciousness is just part of a greater consciousness and maybe the consciousness that this character in my computer game is experiencing is also part of my consciousness because it's all connected maybe maybe we have the pyramid upside down and consciousness is actually the foundation of reality and everything else sits upon that and that's god right but you know it's it's it's like we we live in a at least in western society nobody wants to hear that shit i guess a lot of people do want to hear it but it gets shut down it gets called things like oh those gnostic christians were just this weird esoteric cult and they didn't know where they were getting their information from and it's probably all hogwash anyway i have uh elaine pagel's book right next to me like on my bookshelf okay
Dr. H:
[1:12:23] Dr elaine yeah.
Tyler:
[1:12:24] Yeah she's really she's really bright young lady yeah i really really really like her scholarly work anyway i don't know if i necessarily like agree with her personal conclusion for that doesn't matter uh the research is amazing the stuff that she did with the nakamati uh scriptures talking about you mentioned gospel of thomas um that one is particularly interesting some of the things that get brought up and then you ask yourself like these historical questions of why is it that in there but matthew is john is and who really wrote the book of john
Dr. H:
[1:12:57] Right was it.
Tyler:
[1:12:58] Yeah uh there's a tv show now called the chosen that's the it's a really great tv show but it's the story of jesus nazareth and his disciples oh they're i think that the guy who's making it or at least some of the writers are devoutly Catholic and so John the apostle is writing the book of John while Jesus is alive and I have questions about that also Matthew writing down the story of the book of Matthew while Jesus is alive I don't know the real truth of that yeah that's what I'm saying I don't know about that but still a good TV show it's fun
Dr. H:
[1:13:40] That does sound really cool and thank you for saying that i'm definitely gonna look that up.
Tyler:
[1:13:44] Yeah it's a good show for real even if you don't care about religion at all it's like the drama it's it's a great story it's why it's a popular story because people like it but and they tell it well they they don't they don't really like aside from some of the creative choices they make it's not like pushing anything on you to see it um it's just presenting that This is according to the book we have. This is a story more or less as it happens. And I think it's nice for people to not have to read the Bible because you have all of these different stories told out of order. And to have it presented to you in a linear fashion, I think a lot of people can really benefit from just, okay, that's the story. Now I understand.
Dr. H:
[1:14:27] Agreed.
Tyler:
[1:14:28] First this happened, then that. Jefferson did that too. He had his own, Jefferson's Bible, I think is what he called it. It's like the life of Jesus, but he spliced it all out so that it was in order as he understood it.
Dr. H:
[1:14:41] Oh, okay.
Tyler:
[1:14:42] Yeah. There's also the Action Bible, which is the comic book version, but it's also linear. It's like, great. Perfect. That's how you tell a story. Thank you.
Dr. H:
[1:14:53] Understood. Yeah. If you, I've said for years, and I still say this, I don't give a shit for Christianity or Islam or Zoroastrianism. I care for truth. And I've been all kinds of different religions You know.
Dr. H:
[1:15:16] Baptist and Catholic And other stuff I won't go into Pagan and everything But I just search for truth And if I wake up tomorrow and find out Islam is right I'll go with that I don't give a shit what it is I just want to know truth And I'm saying that because of what you just said And if you when you were talking about the different Bibles and the chosen TV show, if you go into any search, you have to go in with a completely neutral mindset, whether you're seeking something in science or you're seeking the truth of what your life calling should be or religion, whatever. So that is where you will find the only truth because you're not biased you're not swayed by anything and in my entire journey for over 40 years of studying i have always been beneficial to have that mindset and that is the only mindset you should forever have if you are serious about studying something and finding out truth and then going from there.
Tyler:
[1:16:27] I grew up in the, in the South, right? People were very set in their ways, a particular version of Christianity. And, you know, and we went to, you know, different churches too, even just amongst Protestant Christians, wild variation in what they actually think, what they talk about, how they live their lives. And I put two and two together pretty quickly. I'm like, all right, somebody here either doesn't know what they're talking about or all of you have a piece of the puzzle and you need to be talking to each other. And I get to give credit. I was at a, I was really young when this happened, but it was like a church program where the, it was a Baptist church, but they were doing like a series throughout the month where they were inviting different pastors to come in and give a sermon and kind of explain what their background is just out of, you know, Christian unity or whatever. And that really opened my mind because i'm like listening to a catholic priest talk and listening to a methodist guy talk listen to a i don't know episcopalian whatever and you know there's like
Tyler:
[1:17:36] Okay where all the lines intersect seems to be where we should be paying attention to where you guys disagree doesn't really matter to me but and then extrapolating that out to other things i didn't really i knew what a muslim was but i didn't really know any muslims until i joined the air force and moved away from alabama and got out and saw the world a bit and then
Tyler:
[1:17:57] Buddhists hindu etc is like the more i opened my mind up and like started just like hearing people out what do you think what do you think what do you think there are core truths that overlap to all of these things and the differences don't seem to be all that big of a difference you know you disagree on how people should dress or you know what you should eat or whatever i'm like but that doesn't tell me anything about the nature of how we got here and why. That's the question I have.
Dr. H:
[1:18:28] Yeah, it's, you know, how do I say this? When some of my colleagues in management across Fortune 100, including consultants who consult to Fortune 100, which includes myself, we said years ago that management is nothing but common sense. And it really is. Now, the issue is that most people don't have that common sense, so they don't see management. And what am I saying more specifically?
Dr. H:
[1:19:05] If you sit down and you look at what should be done in any atmosphere, I don't care what it is, what industry, what language it's being done in, I don't give a shit. If you sit down and think for one minute or one hour with yourself or with colleagues who are at your level of management or higher, even better, when you come across the solution, it is always the most powerful solution, not superficial solution. It is always going to be common sense. It is always going to be, okay, well, there's a high turnover rate. What's the bottom, the lowest common denominator of that issue? We got to keep our people happy. No shit. But you're at least going somewhere. Okay, how do we keep them happy? This, this, and this. These people like this. These people like this. Okay, how do we do that? How do we do it where all of them are happy and not only 10% the Hindus are happy or the Christians are happy? So what I'm saying is it's so stupid how the stupidity of people across space and time, and this goes back to my Price is Right experience.
Dr. H:
[1:20:18] Story. I was so baffled. I was ridiculously baffled at the stupidity of humans. And I was fucking eight years old. What eight-year-old should think of this stuff? I'm not saying that to be an idiot, be like, oh, I was so smart. I was like, no, this shouldn't occur. The stupidity of people saying, oh, yeah, let's spin this wheel again. That'll be exactly what would have happened. Maybe someone will say, okay, Dr. Herman, that's a little bit complex. Most people won't know that. It doesn't matter. It alludes to the message of the grander stupidity of people. People don't think properly. They don't think things through. They don't think about management where it's really common sense. And this all ties into what you just said before I started speaking here. The universality the the single most powerful thing where all the lines intersect to use your words that you just said is the same thing as every instance of management every instance of marketing of even neural marketing you want to hone in on the grandest target the grandest demographic possible to affect the most people unless you're a niche but then you want to be hone in on the grandest niche possible. So if you take a look at Venn diagrams, Venn diagrams.
Dr. H:
[1:21:45] And this is for any audience member who doesn't know this. I imagine you do. Imagine if you have three circles and you have one circle. This circle is yellow. Another circle is blue. Another circle is red. So those three circles, some point, typically in the middle of the three circles.
Dr. H:
[1:22:03] There's an intersection. So between the green, what the hell did I just say? between green and blue or whatever color I said, blue and red, it creates purple. Okay. But blue, red, and purple creates a lighter purple. I don't know what color it creates. Okay. Just go with me on this. So you always want to focus in on the point where those three sections intersect. And that is where you want to do the most power of whatever strategy you're doing. That same concept is the same thing as what you just said, where all the lines intersect. Forget where we disagree, where the three circles do not intersect, or the two circles intersect, but not with the third one. Those don't matter as much in this case. In other instances, they'll matter and we care, but not in this case. So if you look at the concepts of Venn diagrams, of Six Sigma, of chaos theory, of studying religions, of crime solving. Like I said, well, these 19 people said it's a white guy with blonde hair, so we should probably listen to the 19 people instead of the one guy that's saying, oh, no, it was a black guy. You have to hone in on the universalities, the same single core messages. Like you asked me about the truth of the world of material. Right.
Dr. H:
[1:23:27] It's all about energy. It's all about mind. It's all what Jesus said, what Gandhi said, what the Buddha said, all these ancient sages. So it's the same thing. And if you just study this, whatever the hell you want to call it, this concept of common sense, looking at Venn diagrams, looking at how cops do shit, looking at how singers sing, looking at where intersections are, all these things. It's the same algorithm that's applied in different arena of life. And if people do this for designing games, for computer coding, computer programming, excuse me, for studying truth, it's the same rules just applied differently. And you'll go far further than you ever could. And that's exactly how history's greatest thinkers teach or saw things.
Tyler:
[1:24:23] Couldn't agree more. I was like browsing through your book library and some of the stuff that you write about and everything. And I wanted to know like what you're what you're understanding of and your thoughts on the tarot or.
Dr. H:
[1:24:37] Oh, wow. Do you have five hours?
Tyler:
[1:24:40] You just said come back and schedule a month. We'll do the Teasbury now for 20 or 30 minutes and then we'll do a full tarot episode some other time.
Dr. H:
[1:24:48] There we go. There we go. So I am a doctor of metaphysical psychology. I am a metaphysician and a scholar. I am in regular academia, so I'm not like a, how do you say, a hippie, no-credentials sort of person. However, I do use tarot heavily, but I call it psychological tarot. But please understand, I say this with respect, I do not believe in tarot. I do not believe it has divination or propheticism behind it. That's just my opinion. So I use it heavily as a psychological tool. In my experience of teaching people to completely destroy their mindset, and I mean completely, beat the shit out of it, and put in a brand new thinking and seeing ability, cognitive schema, the psychological term.
Dr. H:
[1:25:49] Thinking foundation. The tarot is the most artistic, creative, fun, engaging, and beautiful tool I have ever studied and used. And I've studied tarot for over 40 years. So I used to believe in it. I used to do it to a small extent. I barely believed in it, but I did it more so for entertainment. So I use it as a psychological tool in many ways. As a matter of fact, one of my books, I think it was my sixth or seventh book, is called something like Psychological Tarot Activity Book. And it's got a lot of activities on how to use the tarot purely as a psychological tool, non-clinical, because I'm not a clinical doctor. Nothing I ever say is medical device. Don't interpret it as such a legal clap, I got to say. So, but tarot is beautiful because you can use it as a Rorschach test. Dr. Herman Rorschach created the Rorschach test. Remember, that's an inkblot test that most people have seen in movies or real life. Also, you can hold up the.
Tyler:
[1:26:58] Watchmen comic books.
Dr. H:
[1:27:01] Oh, really? Nice.
Tyler:
[1:27:03] Yeah.
Dr. H:
[1:27:04] Yeah, okay, okay. I did not see that. I don't know that series. But yeah, it's a beautiful tool, and it really helps people quickly find biases, prejudices, weaknesses, and strengths in their own characters and in situations in any atmosphere.
Tyler:
[1:27:28] I uh i think of the tarot as a language and i approach it as such where it's whatever metaphysical ideas people wanted to subscribe to with regard to it like whether or not it's divination or it's i don't know some people would say that it's like the language of ancient egypt or something i'm not even going to posit that but it is a language and it is a group of symbols that are very easily understood by anyone pretty much no matter what language they're from and that also depends on the art on the card too you know there are ones that are kind of localized to certain point of view and all that stuff but yeah tell me tell me about how it uh how it how it plays into psychology how do you how do you think about that
Dr. H:
[1:28:21] Sure. So you said a beautiful commercial right now for the tarot. I mean, it is a language, it is symbolism. It is a great case for symbology, semiotics, semiology, depending on the school of thought.
Dr. H:
[1:28:42] And there's one guy there's actually a phd in psychology and he had dr art rosengarden and he and i were on the the media show of my friend miguel connor who's the religious media personality that i just mentioned not too long ago very famous guy so he's a gnostic and his show is aon bite Gnostic Radio. He actually just released a book, I want to say one or two months ago, on the occult Elvis. Elvis was hugely into the occult, and most people never know that. Yeah, yeah, he was huge into it.
Dr. H:
[1:29:21] So the book came out like one, two months ago, and Dr. Art Rosengarden, a PhD in psychology, and I were on Miguel's show. I've been on Miguel's show like seven, nine times, something like that. And I really respect Dr. Art Rosengarten. I think he's like, well, he's going to be angry at me if I don't know, but I think he's like 70 years old, 65, something like that. He's in California and he's an actual clinician. So I'm a psychological doctor, metaphysical psychology, but he's a clinician and he uses tarot and he does believe in tarot for his clients. And he couldn't legally do that. And he's the only one, he was either the first one to do a dissertation that is academically accepted in the academic world, the typical world, whatever you want to call it, of academia on tarot for psychology. He was the first one. I think he's still the only one. And.
Dr. H:
[1:30:17] We did a great show, so if you want to learn more about it, you can listen to that. And to answer your question further, the latter point, I mean, it's just like anything. Any tool, you can make up your own drills. You can make up your own exercises. You can take a fork and use it to comb your hair. You can use it to kill bugs. You can use it as a shoehorn. Any tool, you can always use more than one area. So the tarot, not using it as a prophetic tool or divination, one way that I like to use it is a very common psychological tool.
Dr. H:
[1:30:58] Basically, it's called TAT, T-A-T, thematic apperception test. It's a basic, fancy way of saying storyboarding. So I'm going to hold up a tarot card to you, and I say, okay, here's the tarot. this is the present tense. So you tell me what happened to lead up to this situation. So I'm showing you, let's say the devil card. So devil's, every tarot is different, of course. So the devil is eating some human in the card and it's got fire here. So what happened to lead up to this card, this atmosphere that's, created in this card so you tell me then i say okay so what do you think is going to happen after this present tense in the future tense tomorrow or the next second or the next 20 years so you tell me the story after that card and then you tell me the story during the present tense so you can switch it around and what you're doing is you're getting people to immediately divorce because they have to stop their autocognition, be like, okay, what the hell is going on? What is this tarot shit? Why is he asking me this crap? And you have to create a story. You have to stop and say, okay, well, this color represents this. The devil isn't really the devil. It represents this. Or maybe the devil is the devil. Whatever. It's preferential. There's almost no wrong answer.
Dr. H:
[1:32:24] So now you say, okay, now how do you apply that in how you select people? If you're a manager at a company and you need to create a project team and you have 10 candidates who are already employees, but you have to take three of those candidates to go on your project team, how would you select them? And how does your TAT answer, thematic gap perception test, reveal how you would see candidate 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10? And why did you pick candidate 3, 4, and 5? And why didn't you pick candidate 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10? So it goes very deep. They're very long answers, extremely complicated process.
Dr. H:
[1:33:11] But if the person knows what they're doing, in this case, me, or someone like me, they do it in a way that it's very complex material. However, the person undergoing such.
Dr. H:
[1:33:24] Understands immediately, very quickly, very easily, and can walk away and apply those things from day one very easily. So it's the same thing that is attributed to Einstein. If you can't explain something simply, you do not fully understand it. And that's completely true. It was also said by many other people. So, excuse me, if you're able to know these things, this TAT, this Rorschach test, the ways of using the tarot in a non-divinatory or prophetic way, tarot is ridiculously powerful if you just use that tool. It's based on the archetypes, like Dr. Carl Jung in psychotherapy, the archetypes of the lover, the fool, the king. They don't represent a fool, a lover, or two lovers, excuse me, and a king. They represent the idea, the theme, the concept of those stages in a human's life. So it is really powerful and very easy to do. Even if you're against tarot, you can still use it for your betterment. Unless you say it's going to bring you to hell, then don't do it.
Tyler:
[1:34:43] Yeah, no, I've definitely had, you know, those are ways to open up the gateway to hell. Let demons into your life things same thing with Ouija boards any kind of medium shit anything associated with a medium you know in the American Southeast at least but I'm with you on and as I said earlier I just think of it as like this is a really useful language this is a really good way of like parsing out what the overall idea you're having is so I mean you do sit anyone down I'm going to tell you your fortune all right You could, there's all these concepts. People are like, oh, you have to do the Celtic cross or you did the five pointed pentagram or some, you know, what, it doesn't matter. Yeah. And then just make up a story. And then the person is just going to kind of like make sense of it. However, they're like, what does that mean? Well, well, you know, now that you brought up that you brought up the devil and, you know, I know that doesn't really mean the devil. It's just that there's a lie. Well, my husband recently, you know, I found out he was cheating on me. I'm like, yes. How do you feel about that? Well, I don't really know. Well, what about the wheel of fortune? How does that make you feel? and just keep going through that conversation. And I'm with you. I don't necessarily even dismiss the idea that there is something divine attached to that process. I just wouldn't say that I don't think the cards that I bought from Barnes & Noble or something are magic. Yeah.
Dr. H:
[1:36:12] I ended up in film. No, no, the Barnes & Noble ones are real. Right, right.
Tyler:
[1:36:17] Only the Barnes & Noble. In fact, this show is sponsored by... We're not sponsored by Barnes & Noble. But if they are interested, I would be happy to do that.
Dr. H:
[1:36:26] Yes.
Tyler:
[1:36:28] Now what do you think of well i got to kind of come up with a way to to phrase the question here when when someone is having like a revelatory moment in their life you know some maybe you're you would attach that to oh i'm 27 years old and now i'm kind of going through that quarter life crisis, and it's the return of Saturn, or it's the 27 Club, or whatever that is. What are these synchronicities, these coincidences, as some people prefer to call them, that these patterns that we notice that seem to be kind of like a video game almost that we're living in, if I could pause it to use that metaphor? for it
Dr. H:
[1:37:18] Forgive me i heard everything you said but i don't fully understand the question you're asking to be precise.
Tyler:
[1:37:25] No no no worries i'll try to rephrase it i struggled there to even formulate a question of the idea i was having but well no
Dr. H:
[1:37:32] You have to go with me because i'm pretty dumb so no.
Tyler:
[1:37:35] You're definitely not dumb synchronicities in life patterns in life things that we we notice the mandela effect you know yeah yeah stuff that was there and isn't there or stuff that seems to be a universal pattern or truth that everyone goes through or notices or i don't know uh today i was sad and i was walking down the street and right at the moment that i said like oh god please give me a sign a beautiful white dove flew right in front of me and it landed on my fingertips and sang me a song those types of things happen you know a miracle someone you know a woman being able to miraculously lift a car you couldn't possibly do what yes what is the explanation of these things in reality
Dr. H:
[1:38:22] Well, I would first caution anybody looking into this because the mind is very powerful and humans are just so goddamn stupid. So let me give you an example here. There's a concept in psychology where if someone learns the definition, learns a new word for them, a lot of times they'll say something like oh i noticed now since i learned that word i hear it all the time or i hear it many times yeah that almost is never the case what happened was everyone has the.
Tyler:
[1:39:07] Same color model car as i do yeah
Dr. H:
[1:39:09] You you know what i'm talking about yeah the word was spoken in your circles already it's just that you came upon that word so you can now recognize that word, just as you said, with the cars, this color, this model, whatever. So it is really tricky, extraordinarily tricky to divorce the, whatever you want to call it, reality of synchronicities and meaningful synchronicities, perhaps I should say, versus you getting more intelligent and getting out of your dipshitteriness of, well, the word was already spoken around you 20 times dumbass on Tuesday. You just picked up upon it. So that's the first caution I would say that you have to be ridiculously careful that you're really working with, science here so.
Tyler:
[1:40:06] Why did i learn that word on that day
Dr. H:
[1:40:08] Why well that day.
Tyler:
[1:40:11] Is when that word finally yeah
Dr. H:
[1:40:14] Yeah yeah i understand i got it i got it i uh that is another conversation then now you're getting into more philosophical arena and that will never be answerable it's a cyclical argument. You can forever say, well, because it was meant to be done, because I was then meant to be understanding that word that day going forward. So I can hear the 20 instances that occurred, not last Thursday, because I didn't know that word in the example I just gave, but the 20 examples that occurred yesterday or something like that. And I can always come to you and say, well, it's just happenstance. You just, just luck. You just happen to learn it. There's nothing esoteric. There's nothing prophetic about it or anything like that. That you will never be able to answer until we're dead. And then we have the answer and we say, oh crap, it really was, you know, divine intervention or something like that to learn the word candy bar on a Thursday at 4 or 5 p.m. So yeah, that's something that will never go away.
Tyler:
[1:41:21] 24 p.m exactly god
Dr. H:
[1:41:24] Damn it you're just always trying to show me up no no no.
Tyler:
[1:41:28] I i i'm with you i'm following along here i
Dr. H:
[1:41:31] I'm kidding of course yeah.
Tyler:
[1:41:32] I think you you have a very very measured very objective point of view on this type of thing because it's so easy to get lost in that stuff one of the wisest things that i was told actually recently it's a guy who is he was a christian turned buddhist turned theosophist and then he was we were talking about like the astral plane you know you're talking about like oh well as you you know you're traveling the astral plane and you run into these succubus or vampires or devils or spooks or ghouls or whatever you want to call them and he's like well the thing is that all of that stuff whether it be ufos or aliens or angels or demons is not the point like you're trying to get to the top of the mountain and you're standing there like staring at some bushes along the side of the path or worrying about the dragon or the wolf or the monster or the bear that stuff along the journey that's not the fucking point you're looking for the truth and you know there's no religion higher than the truth
Dr. H:
[1:42:43] And that ties beautifully into what we said moments ago when you said, all the lines are intersecting in this area. Stop looking at where we disagree. Look at where we're agreeing, where the message is universal, where it's across space and time. And what I have been saying as well for decades. It's all about who gives a shit if it's succubus or ghouls or whatever. Focus on what matters, just like I just said, with the Venn diagrams, with the management tools being in common sense. But, you know, you and I can say this every day for the next 10 years and have a very popular show. It doesn't mean shit. Most people who ever touch this planet are dumb fucking idiots and that will never fucking change unless Jesus comes back and wakes us all up or some miracle. People are dumb shits and that is the case just like the movie The Matrix. When Morpheus says to Neo, I feel I owe you an apology because we have a rule. We never wake someone after a certain age. The mind has a hard time letting go. Most people who are plugged into the matrix will never wake up. I just said this on another show not too long ago. And it is what it is. It's the truth.
Dr. H:
[1:44:07] People just don't realize that they're dumb fucking idiots. And I say that so passionately, these dumb pieces of shit that just hurt humanity. I, ah, man, don't get me started. And I'm not saying this because I'm an idiot. I say this because I deeply, with every goddamn fiber in my heart, love humanity. And I want to help people, but most people will never give a shit. They're distracted by the dumb reality thing, by all the sports crap. I'm not saying sports are crap, but the stuff where it distracts you from bettering yourself and your family by all the distractions of, hey, don't look at these convergence points, like you said. Let's look at the differences, how the Hindus are against us and the right wing people and the left wing people believe this. It's like, no, you idiot. You're focusing on the wrong thing. You just said it beautifully right now. Focus on what matters, the Venn diagram. But most people will never do this. It's only a few that will wake up. Just like Jesus said, forgive me, I'm trying to remember exactly how he said it, but, oh, God damn, I'm really going to mess up now. I'm sorry. But basically the message was most people will go.
Dr. H:
[1:45:23] Most people will fall off the path. Only a few will continue and be saved. Again, I'm not Christian. I'm not outing Jesus and accept him and all that stuff. I'm just giving a message that Jesus happened to say, which unfortunately is the truth of humanity.
Tyler:
[1:45:40] Yeah. Maybe when I get to your stage in life, I might be as harsh. I'm not the Kung Fu master who's turning people away at the mountaintop yet. I mean, for me, I try to just think about it like, okay, we're all playing the same game. And you know some of us rolled for a really high i don't know wisdom or intelligence or perception check and some people just didn't and they're going to play the game again until they breach the end of the game or they'll be stuck in the game forever and it's not really their fault you know it's so easy to like think if you just put in the effort but i'm like maybe you're maybe they're rolling the dice over and over and over again and they're just never hitting the you know You got a 21. Congratulations. Nat 20, this guy. Not everybody gets a nat 20.
Tyler:
[1:46:33] I don't know. It's rough. It is difficult because on one hand, brother Dr. Herman S. Jr., I feel like it's kind of our responsibility to at least discuss these things and keep that knowledge or the ideas that we have such that, you know, for every 10,000 of those morons or, you know, those sleeping people in the matrix that are not ever going to wake up, or at least not in our lifetime. There's like one or two people who are like, man, you know, I really was living a lie. And then I heard that conversation that Tyler had on his dumb podcast. And, you know, that guy said a few things that really made me think. And i went and got a tarot deck at barnes and noble and started asking myself like what does this symbol mean and then that put me on a whole journey where now i have a doctor in metaphysics yeah i was watching the fucking price is right one day hey
Dr. H:
[1:47:25] You too yeah yeah it's i and who knows you know maybe i should say to you and maybe one day i'll get to to your level of being more whatever you want to call it, more patient and understanding. I used to be totally politically correct. I used to be very much like you,
Dr. H:
[1:47:46] very much speaking like you. But as I get older and my colleagues, as my colleagues get older, you think I'm blunt, Jesus Christ. As we get older, we're just sick of this shit. It's like, you know, you know, you're a fucking idiot. Just get away from me. You're not going to understand it. But that doesn't, I still agree with everything you just said. It is our job to.
Dr. H:
[1:48:10] Give the information. I want to be careful. I don't want to say that like an idiot, like I have the truth. Yeah, I feel I have the truth of the spiritual realm or journey or the destination, whatever you want to call it. But I may be wrong, but I believe I have the truth. So I try to help people with it. But at the same time, as I said a long time ago in this interview, I see myself as a farmer. So for those people who, like you said, they using your words, they roll the dice or they don't hit 21. Yeah, of course. But for those people, we plant the seed. That's why I said I'm a farmer. I'm like, you know, here's the thing. If you don't, if you don't want to get it or you can't get it, you'll get it next life or something like that. Hopefully you don't have a next life because here, because I'm a Gnostic and this world is a disgusting prison here. You don't want to come back and reincarnate. So, yeah, you do want to give the information and forever help people, but you can only go so far. And at this stage of my life and my colleague's life, we are just of the mindset of like, okay, you know what? You can't fix stupid, as Ron White said in his comedy show. But you still give the information. You don't give up. You just say, okay, here you go. Do whatever.
Tyler:
[1:49:31] Uh just we'll wrap it up here but you know just sum that up i don't think you're wrong for feeling the way you do and you know it's easy to like look at your bracelet and slap it against your wrist like what would jesus do or something and you know the people always focus on the like he would take in the poor and the sick and the blind and the lepers and the whores and you know he loved everybody i'm like he didn't tolerate pharisees
Dr. H:
[1:49:54] Like there's right.
Tyler:
[1:49:55] There's like having empathy for the ignorant or the poor or the weak. I think that it's important to remember that the real enemy or the people who know what the fuck they're doing and are doing the wrong thing with that knowledge. That's the that's the problem. It's like don't blame the ignorant or blame the people who know something and could be doing better and choose not to.
Dr. H:
[1:50:17] Absolutely. Yeah, I agree.
Tyler:
[1:50:19] But thank you for your time. And we'll do this again sometime. This is really fun. you're a great guest
Dr. H:
[1:50:25] Thank you so much I greatly enjoyed it and thank you for having me.
Tyler:
[1:50:32] Thank you again to brother doctor Herman S. Jr. For coming on the show that was a really fascinating conversation and a wide range of topics I hope you enjoyed it I hope you will be back next time thank you to all of the people who support this show you could do so as well inthekeep.com all of the stuff there's the support pages and there's various ways to do that if you would like uh yeah man what a fun ride I don't have a whole lot else to talk about right now recorded a bunch of these episodes like in a batch so I'm kind of running out of shit to talk about with you guys but I love you god love you stay in the keep mwah
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