Isabella Young is a former cult member, author, and speaker dedicated to raising awareness about the psychological and emotional manipulation that can occur in cult-like environments. We dive deep into her personal journey, sharing how her early life in Australia — marked by emotional turmoil — shaped her understanding of love, relationships, and ultimately, her susceptibility to cult dynamics. She now applies these patterns in the world around us, boldly questioning the societal dynamics that shape the world we live in.
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Chapters
00:00 Start
8:36 Encountering a False Guru
18:31 The Nature of Manipulation
24:29 Reconnecting with Nature
35:27 Technology and Humanity
48:26 The Hidden Forces
56:19 The Nature of Evil
1:01:44 The Importance of Nature
1:07:08 The Struggle for Connection
1:12:36 Examining Systemic Control
1:23:34 Empathy vs. Logic
1:31:18 Geoengineering and Belief
1:39:26 The Pain of Abandonment
1:48:00 Facing Uncomfortable Truths
1:56:20 Recognizing the Soulless
2:00:13 The Power of Symbols
2:15:20 New Cycles of Consciousness
2:24:15 Trusting Intuition
2:34:19 Consciousness Beyond the Physical
2:42:17 The Path to Awareness
2:47:42 Growing Your Own Medicine
Transcript
Tyler:
[0:01] The half-wise recognizing the comparative unreality of the universe imagined they may defy its laws such are vain and presumptuous fools and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly the truly wise knowing the nature of the universe as law against laws the higher against the lower and by the art of alchemy transmute that which is undesirable unto that which is worthy and thus triumph mastery consists not in abnormal dreams visions and fantastic imaginings or living but in using the higher forces against the lower escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher transmutation not presumptuous denial is the weapon of the master the kabbalion
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Isabella:
[1:24] I was born in Australia We were in a small country town, and from the outside,
Isabella:
[1:30] my family looked very normal. My parents were both professionals, and they were – it just looked all very nice on the outside. There were horse riding lessons and tennis lessons, and we certainly weren't lacking in any – we weren't impoverished. We just had family trips and it was all going well until my mum blew up the family with an affair and they went through a really ugly divorce, which I got pulled into as a 12-year-old. My mother used me for emotional support, which was extremely damaging.
Isabella:
[2:16] And uh she also alienated me from my father which at that time wasn't a criminal offense but now it is that whole parental alienation thing is it's it's evil it's what it is yeah and so i got really uh i got pretty messed up by the divorce and uh.
Isabella:
[2:38] I left the town I was living in and went to university where I studied to become a teacher. And I focused on outdoor education, like teaching climbing and skiing and hiking. And that was my focus. And through that, I met a man who became my first husband. He was also using outdoor adventure activities in the corporate realm for team building and personal growth and development. He was riding that way. He was the first company in Australia to do that. And he also had a military background. He was the longest-serving Australian soldier in the Vietnam War, and I only really found out that recently. This guy was so modest. He was a real warrior in both senses, as an on-the-ground warrior and also as a spiritual warrior. So we started a life together, and he really opened my mind to a bigger picture because my mother, in addition to being a, well, she had narcissistic personality disorder and she was an alcoholic. She was also a devout atheist. So she really poisoned me against an idea of a higher power. In fact, she had me believing that anyone who believed in God or was religious was basically like a lower class human being.
Isabella:
[4:00] Just a complete idiot. And so I sort of grew up with this superior attitude until I met Barry, and then we had some quite extraordinary spiritual experiences together. We did meditation retreats, we did shamanic journeying, we did tantral work together, and that really opened my mind, like I said, to there being more to
Isabella:
[4:23] life than perceivable through the five senses.
Tyler:
[4:25] Right. How old were you when you had that opening up experience it
Isabella:
[4:31] Was in my like mid-20s I met him when I was 24 and so from 24 on when I started to just have a lot more spiritual experiences and uh that became more of my focus actually the inward journey.
Tyler:
[4:46] I think a lot of people have that sort of quarter life moment it's it's about 25 up to 30 that people who are set in that same mindset that you started off with which is that anyone who thinks anything that you can't measure with a ruler or a compass doesn't exist, right? Right. Exactly. Okay. So from there.
Isabella:
[5:09] We also have our Saturn return at 28.
Tyler:
[5:12] Yes.
Isabella:
[5:13] Right. Which according to like the, um, Rudolf Steiner, who teaches about how there's certain, I suppose it's, I'll just call it degrees of embodiment that happen in times of our growth, like at seven and then, you know, 28 is another one. And yes. So, yeah, that was a profound time for me too. It's also when I gave birth to my son when I was 28, so, you know, big, big changes. And I also wanted to live on a farm and be as self-sufficient as possible. That's always been one of my dreams. So we were doing that. We were setting up the place to be able to approach self-sufficiency. Anyway, he went off to work one day. It was the first day of a big job with an Australian telecommunications company, and I got a knock on the door about 10 o'clock in the morning from the local cop and a neighbor to say that he'd been found dead in his car.
Isabella:
[6:08] And I knew in that moment that my, well, my best friend was dead. My dreams were dead of, you know, any dreams of a family or a future or life on this self-sufficiency was gone, completely gone in that moment. And then I was living my nightmare of being a single mother, which I always had dreaded.
Isabella:
[6:27] And I was three months pregnant with our second child. So that was just an added hell. I really didn't want to live anymore. I actually would have, if I hadn't been pregnant and been childless, I would have checked out right then and there. It was just too painful, just too horrible. But I felt that I couldn't really do that because I had children. So I went on years of looking for just like a reason to live or somewhere that felt like home or, you know, like another to redefine my life. Right. And I took several trips to India and, you know, tried to figure shit out basically and ended up living in a small town outside of Melbourne called, ironically, Healesville where I did do a lot more work healing my – I knew I was wounded
Isabella:
[7:15] from, well, not only the grief that I was experiencing, but from my childhood. So I continued doing different types of healing work, like rebirthing, which is breath work that brings up stored or suppressed emotions.
Isabella:
[7:30] I did some more shamanic journeying, and I did this course called Dying to Live, which was basically preparation for a death, like a simulated, like a guided meditation of a death experience. And so in that week we were blindfolded and we were in silence for most of the time, except when we came together as a group. And then we wrote our will, wrote our eulogy, wrote letters of forgiveness and prepared for this death experience, which was on the Friday morning. And I had a massive out-of-body experience that I've never had anything like that before. But I met some beings recently.
Isabella:
[8:15] Included my husband who'd passed away and one of the Indian teachers who I had. And I got some direction about what to do. And that's when I was guided to start some training with this particular individual
Isabella:
[8:34] who I'd known as a trance channel. Now, a trans channel is someone who opens themselves to another consciousness and then allows that consciousness to use the vocal cords and the body to speak. Yes. So he was doing that, but he was also a trained actor. Let's just get that out of the way. This guy was a big fraud. All this is information that I've found out since, of course, because I thought I was meeting my guru and starting my training with him.
Isabella:
[9:07] And I ended up going to America where he had his ashram slash cult. And that's where I started training. I had my children with me and we lived as a community in Southern California with him as the leader of the group. He also believes that he's the second coming. He's the Maitreya, the Kalki avatar, the one to come and save humanity,
Isabella:
[9:36] and we're all his disciples to help him with his mission. But he's basically just a very evil sex addict and he's a very evil person.
Isabella:
[9:46] A pedophile who has a serious narcissistic personality disorder as well as a whole lot of other psychopathy. And we were basically living in hell for that time. He was big on punishments and big on making people feel like shit. And particularly he honed in on my son and my daughter, but not that we had a child together. So she was worshipped, literally worshipped, but the other two were made to worship hers. There was so much sick shit going on.
Isabella:
[10:31] After seven years, my son came home from school one day and he was clearly upset. I suggested he go to bed and talk about it in the morning and in the morning he was gone. And I knew something was wrong because that's so out of character with him. And we reported him missing by the end of the day. And then the next day, my ex, the cult leader, sent his assistant to look around the hill behind the house. And he found his body with a neck wound and a fucking kitchen knife and blamed the whole thing on me. Told everyone that I hadn't given him the life that he wanted. I'd been disobedient and where I wasn't following rules.
Isabella:
[11:20] What I was supposed to be doing with my life and that wasn't giving him the opportunity to live his life so he he took himself out apparently he was also gay uh which is um another heinous lie but this this uh cult leader outed him at his funeral and it was just an absolute nightmare at this point and I all I knew that I also this was not something I wanted to live through but Once again, I had children, so I went to see this gentleman who'd been the cult counsellor for many years. In addition to having these meetings with the cult leader and we had partners we were supposed to meet with in house meetings, we were also supposed to go and see a counsellor.
Isabella:
[12:03] But I never went. I was pretty disobedient, actually, but the hypocrisy was just nightmarish. So I went to see this counsellor, and when I walked in the door, he said, I knew you'd come and see me. You're in a cult.
Isabella:
[12:17] You know you're in a cult don't you and I said no I don't know I'm in a cult I thought I was in an ashram with my guru and he said go home and google cult characteristics so I went home and I googled cult characteristics and there's the charismatic leader who's the arbitrator of truth who controls everybody's everything from what they eat when they sleep where they work you know how they use their time outside their work where where they spend their money who they're in a relationship with how much sex they have or not have you know just every aspect of life was controlled and then there's the the gaslighting which is it's a term that comes from a 1930s play where the protagonist, makes his wife feel like she's going crazy by adjusting the brightness of the gas lights that we used at that time to like well that happened every day like he would lie about conversations we had or didn't have or send me back because i got the fruit that was not ripe enough from the supermarket just so much like level of control of of me and well everyone really in the cult, and then there's the brainwashing well you know we had to repeat his name we had to get up at 4 a.m i'm supposed to chant his name 108 times and sing to him and have photos of him and kiss his feet and make offerings to him just like he's a you know he's god.
Isabella:
[13:34] And so when I saw the list of these tactics that cult leaders used, you know, they triangulate people. So they set themselves up as a, that's what happened in my family. And my mother made my brothers and I sort of enemies. And that's the same thing that happens in the cult too. And once I saw the list of cult characteristics, I knew I was in a cult. No one ever told me that whole time I was in a cult. It was mentioned within the cult, and we would laugh about it and say we were the only cult that wasn't a cult, something like that.
Isabella:
[14:09] But no one told me, even though I found out my parents went to see a cult expert within a year of me leaving Australia. I don't know what advice he gave them, but it was the wrong advice. Because from my experience, if no one had ever told me, it would have taken a lot longer for me to get out. because when you don't know you're in a cage, how can you get out? If you can't see the prison, then there's no way to escape because you're not looking to get out. And I see this just as to jump forward. I see the same thing happening on a global scale really to humanity. Most people cannot see that there is a cage, that there is a perception deception. There are control mechanisms that are being used to keep us limited, believing that you know this is all there is to reality and that was happening to me in the cult i did not see that how i was being controlled until i understood
Isabella:
[15:05] that that that's what was going on.
Tyler:
[15:07] Sometimes it takes seeing the microcosm to to even be able to conceive of what the macrocosm looks like and that makes sense that you would have this experience that you've gone through you would be able to see patterns that other people are not going to see because you've live through it.
Isabella:
[15:25] Exactly. That's exactly what happened. Once I got out of the cult, I could see that that was a microcosm of the macrocosm of the cult that's playing out on humanity. That's exactly what happened to me.
Tyler:
[15:36] Yeah. So let's just, I got a few questions to make sure I'm caught up here. How, how old are your kids when you moved to America?
Isabella:
[15:47] They were five and seven.
Tyler:
[15:50] Okay. So younger children. And then how many years go by that you're part of this organization before your son passed away?
Isabella:
[15:59] Seven.
Tyler:
[15:59] Okay.
Isabella:
[16:01] So he was 14 roughly. Yeah. He was 15.
Tyler:
[16:06] Okay. I think I understand.
Isabella:
[16:08] When he was murdered.
Tyler:
[16:10] The story passes by so fast, I just need to make sure I understand how many years are going by. So had you, as a kid, even before any of this happened, ever heard of a cult or known about Jim Jones or the Manson family?
Isabella:
[16:27] I probably heard of them because right from a young age, I did have a fascination for just things like that, cults. and true crime I've had a fascination for. But it wasn't until I got out that I really started studying cults and cult leaders. In fact, that's been part of my healing is to really dive into other cult leaders and their tactics, their MO, and there's a lot of them. And there's so many more being exposed now, and not just religious cults either. The way that political parties operate, that's cult behavior, like even World Championship Wrestling, fans of that act like they're in a cult there's sports teams.
Tyler:
[17:19] The Macho Man Randy Savage on my wall there from World Championship Wrestling,
Isabella:
[17:23] You're right Nicole, the World Championship Wrestling, they're multi-level marketing like my family was a, the cult.
Tyler:
[17:38] Sure.
Isabella:
[17:38] With my mother as the cult leader. And then there are relationships where you've got one person who's the cult leader and the other person who's the cult follower. So those tactics to keep people controlled can take many forms other than just a church or actual what we know as a cult leader.
Tyler:
[17:57] I understand what you mean. It was one of the, I knew a lot about this stuff, right? Like I grew up deeply fascinated with cults because I think I told you in my email chain my mother went through a very very similar story to what you're telling me now um throughout her adolescence like her mother had gotten involved in the cult and then all of the children were this involved in the cult and it took until she was you know in her late teens
Tyler:
[18:24] before her and a lot of her friends were able to escape it um so i was keenly aware of this stuff. And then when I was 20, I joined the military and I started seeing all the same patterns. I thought I was going to go crazy. I literally had to buckle down. And I think for the first two years that I was even in the military, they put me on Prozac just to keep my mind from going insane, from thinking about all of the different layers of manipulation that were going on all the time. Standing in a formation of a bunch of people who were screaming together warheads on foreheads and clapping and cheering made me uncomfortable because I knew that that was
Tyler:
[19:06] The same patterns this is brainwashing this is this is cognitive dissonance happening in real time you know i had friends who were volunteering to go back to afghanistan to pay off their car you know what i mean and i'm like like think about the risk reward for the amount of money that you're getting out of this um i had friends who would cry at night after they closed down kabul air airport air force base in afghanistan because they that's my home i've been there six months out of the year every year for most of my adult life a lot of these guys were literally crying at the loss of not being in that war anymore so that you know that that level of social manipulation not i'm not even saying necessarily anything negative about the military it's just that seeing the signs and patterns of of a controlled society period go to a socialist country right now and you'll see the same things um even in our capitalist you know united states you still see cults of personality everywhere um all the time and whether that personality be a person or a brand um so you're right have you ever you ever watched the movie they live with the roddy piper no
Isabella:
[20:24] I've only seen clips of it.
Tyler:
[20:26] Yeah but you you get the concept he has these magic sunglasses that allow him to see through all the all the bs all the bullshit marketing everything is just clear to him what it really means you know go out procreate um work pay your taxes that's it it's all they want from you so yeah so let's let's back up to you so when you get out what what happens next
Isabella:
[20:53] Well, just I'll say that on the getting out, I didn't get out straight away. It's not like I packed up my gear and left because he was still blackmailing me.
Tyler:
[21:03] Right.
Isabella:
[21:04] He wouldn't let me leave because we did have a child together, and according to the law, I couldn't move more than two hours away. And he was also on a spiritual level telling me that it's been tens of thousands of lifetimes that we've been working together to get to this point of being a family and, you know, we were here for a specific purpose. And if I turned my back on that, my screams would reverberate throughout the universe once I, you know, left my body or whatever. So I understood that I was a soul here for, you know, a purpose. I just had to sever that idea that that purpose was somehow to continue on with him right and then I think my best understanding of how I did actually get away was he let me go because he knew if he didn't he would have another death on his hands and he would have so he let me go to Hawaii and that's when my real when the healing started where I could finally just just take a look at what the fuck happened to me and I'd already had some understanding of narcissistic personality disorder so i studied that more because.
Isabella:
[22:25] That's and you definitely that's what he has i mean someone who's claiming that they're freaking the second coming is clearly got a narcissistic personality disorder and a whole lot worse than that sure but instead of just pointing the finger at him and saying well he's a narcissist you know he he he whatever I had to look at well what does that mean about me why did I get into a relationship with someone with a narcissistic personality disorder and what I came to understand was that I had codependent tendencies and both self-love.
Isabella:
[22:58] Codependent tendencies and narcissistic personality disorder are self-love deficit disorders. So both, you know, there's a lack of self-love, which is pretty much underpinning so many of the problems. But anyway, the manifestation in me was that I looked outside myself for approval and reassurance and love.
Isabella:
[23:20] Whereas he created this false persona, narcissists create a false persona, And that's how they get their needs met, by getting other people to believe in their lies and give them attention and money and all that sort of stuff. So I understood that I had this self-love deficit disorder and I better repair that. I better learn to love myself. And he wasn't my last narcissist, but I eventually got to the point I had to get really, really serious with myself and just say that's it. No you know no more getting into any relationships until i've really established self-love and that took a lot of work it's still a work in progress because it was just not having that established it not as a child not having needs met and feeling safe and feeling loved it's not just me i mean it happens most of us go through childhood and we come out wounded in pretty major ways really but i had to establish self-love and i did that through like repeating i love myself and just treating myself more kindly and i spent a lot of more time in nature just um.
Isabella:
[24:30] Walking on the beach swimming in the ocean hiking lying on the grass and that that time in nature really started to change me in fact that was the most profound um like leap in my healing was once i started staying directly connected to the earth so i'm barefoot most of the time skin to earth and just receiving the earth energy because it's a magnet we have we're electromagnetic we have a very uh subtle vibration but that can get disturbed really easily through all the electromagnetic frequencies we have around us and so the way that we can come back into balance and our nervous system can be rebalanced is by being grounded and i really needed that because i was so i just fried from my experiences so stood a stayed connected to the earth spent a lot of time in the ocean and i started sun gazing so every morning when the sun comes up i just receive the sunlight into my eyes it goes it's the highest form of information life optimization information that's available to us so by receiving that through the eyes it goes into the brain and i don't know how it works but i know it does i know that it's transformed my consciousness, expanded my consciousness.
Isabella:
[25:52] I've been able to receive a lot more information, collate a lot more information. I've just published a book that's like a distilled information.
Isabella:
[26:04] Took me years to write, but it's such a beautiful offering of basically just reminders of how to be human because that's being so quickly forgotten when now people are just relating to life through screens rather than through the natural world sure so uh yeah the my main healing is coming through learning about um all the a lot of the natural medicines that are available to us within our body and within nature and within our divine nature and in addition to learning more about what's happening on the on the global scale to humanity and understanding this there are systems of control that are in place that like we talked about before are keeping us basically in a cult where we're uh we are mind controlled where and we're uh sickened and so many people are suffering because of it you know there's there's there are ways out and that's what that's one of the things that I like to talk about, how to free oneself from suffering because I don't suffer anymore. I still get sad and angry and I have those emotions, but I'm not suffering from day to day anymore.
Tyler:
[27:25] So I have to imagine that in order to replace kind of that hole in your heart that causes codependency, right? You described sort of cycling through relationships quickly after that, because I think it would be hard to trust anyone, narcissist or not. Like even to just have a trusting relationship with someone even if they're in many ways good to you right you're going to be um reacting to something that's no longer there i mean that's the definition of post-traumatic stress right it's like the the thing that causes the trauma is no longer present but you're still experiencing that yourself um i personally have a lot of um let's say experience with that, that feeling. So, I mean, just like going through your day-to-day without having someone there to tell you what to do all the time. Like when you're first set free and you don't know what to do with your time anymore. You had the kids with you, I assume. So did that keep you grounded? You know, having to be present and take care of the child?
Isabella:
[28:34] Yeah yeah that definitely uh kept me like grounded yeah for sure because i had to make sure that all their needs were taken care of did i want it was something i wanted to say about trauma there i can't remember it'll come back to me but um, yeah that i know what i was going to say that the trust was problem was with myself like how do i trust myself i already made you know i stayed in this like toxic situation that was ended up where my son died i made all those decisions i stayed every day you know how do i trust myself how do i forgive myself how do i you know move forward from feeling like a, piece of shit right and and it was it really was being in nature and feeling that what nature is offering is love is life force energy so feeling loved even just going outside and well that's particularly easy to do here in hawaii where the air itself feels like it's giving, healing energy sure and it's being in nature that's helped heal my heart and restore my trust in myself and.
Tyler:
[30:01] You talked about, you know, just walking around without shoes on, connecting with nature, connecting with earth and everything. And I think about, isn't it interesting that one of the number one tales of civilization, right, where people are moving in uniform under the guidance of a hierarchy is that they wear rubber sole shoes. Like if you were living in a neighborhood amongst other normal quote unquote people and your kids walk around barefoot, that's one of the first things they're going to point out is like, oh, that's like that person's poor. That person's an idiot. That person's stupid. And I think that's very fascinating, even if it's by accident, you know, not by design. Just the fact that rubber, which is like a perfect insulator for electricity, is between you and the earth is like the first cutoff where you're potentially more easily manipulated.
Isabella:
[30:52] It's all by design there's a graph that shows instances of i think it's diabetes that that um in correlation to when rubber sole shoes were introduced which i think's in the 70s it's basically just a you know it's just this exponential increase because being disconnected from earth energy is one of the most disempowering things that can happen to us It's the same with people who live in cities, up in high-rise buildings, or even in cities themselves, really, because there's not that much opportunity to connect directly with the earth, although concrete is conductive.
Isabella:
[31:32] So, you know, standing on concrete, of course, going to parks or gardens or whatever, and touching trees, that's a grounding thing. People often bitch about not being able to touch the ground because there's snow, but touching trees, touching rocks, touching crystals, all these things are grounding, and they're essential. There's no way we can have optimal physical or mental health without having a direct connection to the earth as often as possible, you know, like pretty much every day. We have to be connected to the earth. And you're right, there is a judgment on people not wearing shoes being somehow less than or poor. But really, this is something that I learned when I was writing my book, that we have as many nerve endings in our feet as we do in our hands. They're just as sensitive. So if we're encasing our feet in shoes all the time, then those nerve endings aren't being stimulated in a way that they would be if we were walking bare feet on the earth. So not only are we not getting all that sensory information, electromagnetic information or new proteins.
Isabella:
[32:46] Electrons you know not only we're not getting those but we're not stimulating all those nerve endings on our feet and so therefore that's less um like neuron stimulation in the brain, so it keeps us basically like limited just that simple one thing of wearing rubber-soled shoes all the time and not it's so disempowering and and it's interesting that that's not something that even I listen to a lot of like natural health doctors and they mention grounding and they mention like the importance of sun gazing, but it should be drilled into people that there needs to be time spent outdoors every day, bare feet on the grass, lying on the grass and getting sunlight. It's essential. Otherwise, we just compromised and we will be sick and we will not be able to experience life optimally. just with those two simple things grounding and sun gazing or just being in sunlight.
Tyler:
[33:47] No i completely agree with you um i was lucky enough to just grow up in the woods that was just my childhood but it's just we live basically in the forest and fields and go outside and play and all that stuff so i i got lucky but then it wasn't until i'm gonna say like my early mid-20s that I really got into this whole video game world, talking to game developers and working with game developers. And one of the key things that you notice is that there's a whole society of people out there who basically just live on the internet inside of an apartment. I know people who don't go out are so socially awkward. They don't even leave their apartment other than to just buy more food and toilet paper, I guess. And then they come back and there are people who... Fully prefer, or at least they think they prefer, I should say, to sit, you know, at home with VR goggles on and live in that digital world than to actually, like, go outside and just be a human being at all. And transhumanism, all that stuff, you know, I was reading in your article where you talked about, you know, homo technos. And that's, it's interesting because it's real. It's happening all around us.
Tyler:
[35:06] Um, but noticing how, you know, how much, these are people, you know, reasonably at least well to do enough that they could live that life of leisure, you know, spend all their time on the internet. Right. So that's the first tier. And then secondly, like seeing how unhappy they are, how much they suffer. Um, some, and I think that art is a reflection of your soul. Right.
Tyler:
[35:27] So just all of the dystopian violent stuff that comes out of the video game world which i'm not against that existing as an art form don't get me wrong and i'm not saying that anyone here is violent but the negative things that you think about when you're you know living in a negative world or not living in the world at all as much as you can separating yourself from the rest of humanity creates a lot of very interesting things um psychologically um so i'm wondering you know from your perspective uh having this this idea that you need to you know completely dedicate yourself to the earth or at least be grounded with it as much as humanly possible when you're looking at someone who's you know living that way what are the signs that you see that they're you know the the symptoms that you would cross off and say like this this this this and that causes you to think that way what causes people to you know to be so disconnected
Isabella:
[36:31] Just it's being disconnected from nature it's that's so unnatural it's so inhuman, it's completely disempowering it's sickening and it no wonder people end up with um living in very dark worlds with dark thoughts and uh yeah i i don't really know people who do that it's interesting i'm sure you come in in your world you see that far more often i am my understanding too that we're also got two generations now two generations of people who relate to life more through screens than through the natural world even if they're not locked up in their bedroom and playing games or whatever. They're still carrying their device around and referring to the device before they give their attention to the outer world. And that's terrifying. Two generations of people who are techno-humans. Do you remember.
Tyler:
[37:30] Arguing with someone about the name of an actor in a movie or something like that? And you just never get further than the disagreement, right? Because you couldn't just pull out your phone and presto, bring that information up. What does that do to the human brain? We have not really had time to figure this out. But for most of history, a disagreement was just a disagreement and you didn't have God in your phone to settle the argument.
Isabella:
[38:00] Yeah, it atrophies the human brain. That's what it does. It atrophies our creativity. It atrophies basically our humanity. That's my argument. I'm sure that there are ways that these technologies and AI can be used that aren't detrimental to ourselves individually and as a species. But most people don't have the wherewithal to understand what that means, especially if you've got no point of reference out. Of the life that's on the screen and with AI, if you don't appreciate the kiss of the wind on your cheek or the twinkle of the sunlight on the water or the hum of the insects at night, we are humans in human bodies as well as being spiritual beings, so we have to give our bodies what they need in order for us to have this optimal experience of life. And that doesn't just happen through a screen and through our minds. You know, we have a whole world, inner world and an outer world to explore and embrace. And that's just so limited when it's all happening through. We're not even getting the right light into our eyes. We're just getting this
Isabella:
[39:15] screen light, this blue light. And that doesn't optimize brain health. That doesn't expand consciousness.
Isabella:
[39:21] You know, we don't get to move enough. We don't get to talk enough and read other people's faces and smell smells and eat nutritious food. There's so many ways that just by living life devoted to these screen technologies is creating a race of cyborgs. Basically, that's where we're heading.
Isabella:
[39:45] You know, like my partner says, he works in construction, so he sweats for his money. It's the last of the dying breed of people actually doing stuff, whereas everyone else is just, like, creating content. But how online trading or whatever the fuck, what's it called, cryptocurrencies or whatever. I mean, that might be an alternative for government, like, overreach when it comes to money or even just cryptocurrency at all. You know it's an alternative currency a way of trading or whatever but it's creating this just an army of people who are online even more like how is that actually contributing to individual um soul evolution or evolution of humanity and that's fine if that's your personal choice but it's from from my understanding it's not contributing to the freedom and future of In fact, it's the opposite.
Isabella:
[40:41] I would argue it's the opposite. It contributes to the deep. There are more people just withdrawing themselves from society and not bringing forth their fullness of themselves, their creative genius, whether that's in whatever it is. There are so many ways. But I think that we're being manipulated, stifled, and controlled while believing that these technologies are, oh, they're the latest advance. No, they're not. They're actually purposefully designed to enslave people. That's my opinion.
Tyler:
[41:20] Yeah, so I can understand how one arrives at that conclusion and not really here to argue with it so much just to present the other side of the coin, right? Where there are tons of people who more or less kind of agree that we are the sex organs of the machine world. Like, we are just here to serve whatever comes after us. Like, at this point, technology has evolved out of humans, right? And they're prepared to make the argument that that is the natural thing that's happening. Like no matter what we do to try to stifle it, it seems that we're just moving in that direction as almost a law of physics, you know?
Tyler:
[42:02] And then the question comes like, well, without technology, I mean, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation, you know, and technology going all the way back to the first, you know, proto-humans that banged rocks together to make a spear or a hammer or whatever.
Tyler:
[42:18] Has just naturally been the course of who we are and what we do as a species. At some point during the Industrial Revolution, I think a lot of us could argue that it was like psychology, sociology, and industrialization all kind of happened at the same time. Before that, we'd had a long stint as an agrarian species. We were manipulating the land, plants, that kind of stuff, but we weren't disconnecting ourselves from the earth, so to speak. Then you have a generation of people who are, at least in the Victorian Western world, diving really deep into the intellectual side of humanity and diving really deep into technology at an industrial scale. Then we have World War I, World War II. Both of these are the first real industrial wars where an entire country has to change its economy to fixate on what do we do to build the best fighting machines. That's happening in Europe and in the States, and to a degree, the whole world by the 40s.
Tyler:
[43:24] And then, the question is, at what point in time did If this is the case, did the powers that be, the government, the shadow, whatever we want to call that, did they become aware and make a concerted effort to do this to people on purpose because it would make society better? Or is it just happenstance? Like, did it just happen that way that we moved in that direction? So it's really tempting um for for myself and for tons of people yourself included to just say it's on purpose that you're doing this like and i'm not saying there aren't bad actors who do do things on purpose but the question is like overall is there really you know some dark room of people you know with cigar smoke you can't see their faces laughing and talking about the next big plan they have to brainwash all of us to move in the right direction um but the science for that like the cognitive science for that existed at least as early as the 1920s because that's when edward bernays came out with uh propaganda his book and he was a he was sigmund freud's nephew so he really was you know privileged to be educated in psychology that early
Tyler:
[44:44] Psychoanalysis understanding how the mind works at least to a greater degree than had ever really been done um in the western world before that and then apply that to what we now recognize as marketing i mean the word propaganda read the book you know if anybody's interested and you will clearly see this this was not even meant as a pejorative term this was like a brand new crazy awesome idea that he had that he thought would help the world he thought that like oh this is going to make it easier for people to buy the best stuff when they go online or not at the time they weren't even talking about online when they go to to the store to buy a product and our advertising for that product reflects how good it really is he wasn't thinking about or at least he wasn't writing about you know selling people a bunch of crap they don't need
Tyler:
[45:30] And then that was co-opted over time. So then you really don't see it used as a pejorative term until after the Third Reich fell. People started realizing what Hitler had done with Germany and how they had applied these same principles of what was published as like a, you know, an informative self-help for entrepreneurs book. Those same principles are applied to what if we convince an entire country that the Jews are evil and we need to get rid of them and also we need to take over the world and all it takes is some good marketing and some sexy looking Hugo Boss uniforms I'm sorry that was a long tangent but it makes you think the stuff that you're pointing out the patterns that you're seeing really make somebody think
Isabella:
[46:18] It's good that you've done that thinking and reading and all that it's a good thing To be diving deeply like that, good for you. You're only young too, so that's an excellent thing to be doing with your time and your intelligence. I would argue that we, as humans, we've been headed in this direction for a long time, even longer than I think even just looking at the existence of kings and queens, that whole bullshit monarchy thing, like somehow some way that you're born gives you the right to tell other people what to do. I think that natural law, right? So natural law is the...
Isabella:
[47:02] Cosmic law and we've been that's been hidden from us the way you know that, that the cosmos operates with these principles that are in effect at all times and that there are people who've known that the people or whatever intelligences I don't know like that's when people say who are they or whatever that the hierarchy that's controlling us I don't know who they are but they're there that we are being controlled just because I can't give them a name or whatever, I do know that there are anti-human, sub-human, non-human, satanic parasites.
Isabella:
[47:36] They have known about the way that the cosmos operates. They've kept that from humans, and then they put in these minions and puppets, whether they are the kings and queens or, you know, even just to introduce government, you know, a system that tells people what to do and enforces that through fear and, you know, fear of death or jail or whatever you know those types of systems when they were introduced that's when this whole um i push to control more and more more of humankind and our evolutionary timeline that's it has been going on for a long time sure that's my understanding and now we're now we're sort of in the culmination of eons of work.
Isabella:
[48:27] These beings, whoever they are, entities, demons, whatever you want to call them, who are controlling things, they play the long, slow game.
Isabella:
[48:35] This has been in the works for a long time. And it's only now that the frequency of light has increased, which it has, the frequency of light that's coming from the sun and from the galaxies is now being measured at higher frequencies than it has before. The vibration of the Earth, the Schumann resonance, usually is 7.84 hertz. Now there's oftentimes when it's over 50 or whatever, so the whole vibratory frequency of the planet, is increasing the light that's coming through the sun is increasing we're getting more solar flares more solar tsunamis solar storms than we did in a much longer period of time so the light frequency is is increasing and that means that everything that was existing in the at a lower vibration in the fear and you know um like evil suffering type of realm that's being exposed for us all to see so we're just now seeing more of what's been going on behind the scenes so we're seeing more of the how hollywood really operates we're seeing more of the corruption in government we're seeing more of the corruption in the police force and the judicial system we're seeing how the financial system is you know we're we're able to see more of this uh the the way that we've been manipulated and controlled.
Tyler:
[49:59] But i would make the argument that the vessel with which we see this information is largely the internet like the evolution of technology to create the internet where we now have these conversations and expose all of these things and can communicate in real time like an australian lady living in hawaii talking to you know me in south carolina you telling me this story is really you know operating on the infrastructure of tech so i would i'm just hesitant to say that technology itself you know is anything but a tool and then it's it does make it easier for you know the spirit of the devil satan the trickster god
Tyler:
[50:50] And leo and anki's fight in the heaven whatever this is as at a cosmogenic level it does make it easy for them to encroach and to control and manipulate but at the same time the forces of good are able to use the same tools to spread information to spread ideas to have conversations that i mean you know if you lived in the wrong country at the wrong time would get you executed for just bringing up you know you know talking about monarchies and kings and stuff. It's like, oh, you've insulted the king off with your head. We're sitting here in a free enough world where we can criticize the leaders of countries and reasonably not expect to be murdered for it. So that alone is like huge progress I would say.
Isabella:
[51:35] Yeah, I see so much of this, well, life is a paradox, right? So we do have this technology that allows us to access information and people and ideas that we never would have been able to access before. Yet, in that same way, influences of more of a demonic type can easily come into our lives. When people who give their children a computer, they're not so much as giving their children access to the outside world, but they're giving the outside world access to the children. And unless we have that awareness, then we're just open to being manipulated and lied to. Yeah.
Tyler:
[52:19] I mean, the forest is dangerous, right?
Isabella:
[52:23] Yes. But at some point.
Tyler:
[52:25] You have to tell your kids, okay, you're ready to go into the forest because you know what it looks like. You're prepared for it. So it's not like you just take an infant and shove them out there into the wild and say, whatever happens, happens, right? Ideally, if you're a good parent, you prepare them for that journey. And then, but you don't say never, ever go in the woods. So I feel the same way about, like, computer. I just had a son, and he's not going to get any of this stuff until I think he's educated enough
Tyler:
[52:54] to recognize when someone's trying to take advantage of you. Or just something as simple as don't click on a link that doesn't have a secure web handle or something like that. But most people, I mean, the vast majority of people who are interfacing with this technology are like someone flying a plane who's never been trained to do that. And they're just left to, you know, you're on one hand, you're free to make mistakes. And on the other hand, you're, you're free to get yourself into a whole world of shit that you don't want to be in.
Isabella:
[53:28] And feel like you can't get out. I think that most people don't really realize that they are being manipulated in some ways. And not, I mean, even with the television, that's the most, one of the most powerful mind control devices there is. That's why it was developed. The whole reason why it's called programming is because of that. And still people don't even acknowledge that. I know a lot of people are now turning away from television just because they recognize that the mainstream news is just full of lies and propaganda. But still not accepting that the machine itself is designed for mind control and for brainwashing. It just is. And then there's the same for the, you know, that basic information needs to be given about the computer screen or a cell phone too, that these are tools of control. And it's up to us to be educated about that. And then like you're saying, ways to use the technology so that we aren't mind fucked.
Tyler:
[54:29] Sure i mean in every every scenario of conflict like technology is almost always a deciding factor first and foremost before you talk about strategy or even numbers i mean we we date human evolution at least in the past few centuries by like the stone age to the bronze age to the iron age and because the simple difference between a copper weapon and an iron weapon is enough to dramatically change the outcome of a conflict um and now as you as you very eloquently stated in your substech article and i believe this is from your upcoming book that the new weapon is information like now we're having information warfare and i don't think that the right so so many people react to this and i've been i used to think this way and my friends would lecture me ad nauseum it's like you can get you know get up throw out all your electronic devices you know Get a Winnebago or something to go live out in the forest if you want to and just disconnect from everything. And that might feel really good, but that doesn't stop the conflict from happening. So the better thing to do would be to get all the same access to the same weapons as you can and just be present for the conflict and try to outweigh whatever is coming on the other end of it.
Tyler:
[55:51] So something like AI, and I know you have very strong opinions. We can talk as much as you want about that, too, because I'm open-minded. But I would just say it's happening no matter what at this point. So unless we figure out a way to go unplug the machine, I think we want to do our best to make sure that it's raised to be a good kid instead of just allowing the bad guys to raise it alone without our input.
Tyler:
[56:18] Does that make sense? I agree.
Isabella:
[56:19] Yeah, definitely. We definitely need parents, and thank you for taking your role seriously and raising your children to be human, firstly, good humans, and then who are connected to nature and the natural world and their intuition and their family. And and then because it really is it the to be able to navigate these technologies takes i mean you know takes a lot of work a lot of intellectual ability and to just throw a child in front of a screen is it's it i don't know how to even i don't even have a word for it except that it's really fucking lazy parenting and going to end up with some with some um children who You really just don't even know how to relate to the world, don't even know how to negotiate relationships. And then if you're concerned about your spiritual evolution or evolution as a soul, that's not going to happen through these technologies.
Isabella:
[57:29] As a spiritual being, our growth and evolution happens through expansion of consciousness, but also happens through the body technologies that we use, like our breath or our movement or, you know, like chanting and sounds that we make. So we need these natural technologies rather than the artificial technologies in order to be able to evolve fully. Like they help us, these other screen technologies give us information, but unless we're embodying that information and like working with that information, what are we? Just like if you just imagine a cartoon, we're just like a little tiny body with a great big head. Full of all this information. That's not really a very balanced way to go through life. It's not all about just what you know. It's a lot about what you do and who you really are as a person, how you show up in the world, what contribution are you making.
Isabella:
[58:28] And the fact is we can do so much of what these technologies can do. We just don't really know who we are or what we're capable of yet. We can access the Akashic Records, for instance, which is a record of all things through all times done by all people throughout forever. That information is accessible to us we don't need chat gpt you know there are there are ways for us to access higher information and we you know we can write we can change you know where there are things that we need to be able to do as human beings as divine creative beings that These technologies are stealing from us, stifling within us. So anyway, I'm not going for a world that's completely devoid of any artificial technologies or computers or whatever. I'm not advocating for that at all, just to be aware of how disempowering it can be. And especially for children who don't know about the beauties of the natural world. It's very limiting.
Tyler:
[59:41] Yeah. I mean, going back to the earlier kind of scenario that I was talking about with, you know, these gamers, programmer type folks who, you know, or just people who are Internet junkies, you know, they're like sort of addicted to it. And then most of the time when I talk to the people who I think are the ones who suffer the most from this. I'm like, well, you know, when did you first have a computer? And it's always like almost universally, these are kids who were quite, they'll tell you themselves, I was raised by the Internet.
Tyler:
[1:00:11] You know, my parents put me in front of a computer and then they ceased to be involved. Right. They were just working or doing whatever it is that they were doing.
Tyler:
[1:00:20] And all of my friends were online. they learn you know from you know in some cases early childhood just this is the way to connect to the to the world and on one hand i think i'm glad that they have a way to connect to the world because otherwise they might have just sat at home alone but then the question is what would you have done with that alone time you know maybe you would have read a bunch of good novels and you know been on some adventures outside or whatever i imagine like we don't think about this as much is you know you came from probably the most high ratio of land to people that there is in the world really um but you know someone who grows up in like tokyo or or seoul or you know even new york city and they're they they don't have a choice like they're in this circumstance where they grew up in that space their parents aren't moving and there almost is no access to the world like even to just go like even just going from new york city into central park to touch grass it's like it's artificial everything about that is contrived um the entire country of the netherlands there's like not a spot of land that's just natural land everything has been sculpted and scaped by people um i can't even stand to live in like a small city because i need to just go out and see trees like or else i feel crazy i've done it a
Tyler:
[1:01:41] few times where i've tried to live in a concrete jungle and it makes me miserable.
Tyler:
[1:01:44] I mean, everything about my life just falls apart as soon as I'm not connected with nature.
Isabella:
[1:01:52] It's true for everyone. Most people just don't realize that's what's the problem.
Isabella:
[1:01:59] Did you have more to say about that? I was going to say there are ways to bring nature indoors if you can't get out for whatever reason, and that includes putting lots of plants around.
Isabella:
[1:02:15] Playing the sounds of nature. When I lived in the city, I would play the sounds of breaking waves or running water or birds chirping, insects, whatever it is, and also dolphins and whales and that sort of thing because those sounds help our body to relax. And I'm just going to go off on this tantric for a sec. Being relaxed is one of the most powerful states we can be in because when we're relaxed is when healing takes place optimally and also when we can receive whatever it is we need to receive from, you know, if we're lying on the grass or breathing the clean air or whatever, we receive the optimally when we're relaxed. So practice relaxation. And that doesn't mean scrolling on a cell phone, just seriously lie down and be completely relaxed. Be aware that you're open to healing and then also be grateful for whatever it is that you're receiving. So the sounds of Nature is another, I go back to that again, indoors. And then there's the, you can use aromatherapy. So you can diffuse essential oils, whether it's pine or frankincense or whatever. But that's another way to help the body.
Isabella:
[1:03:30] Heal and restore. Drinking the purest water that you can find. It's not tap water because that's usually got fluoride in it, but if there's any way you can access spring water, I take a drive and go and get that. It's really important to be drinking the purest water possible. You can leave it out in the sunlight and then it gets, it's in vibration increases. So you can drink the water that's got a higher vibration. You can pray on it, bless it. To its highest vibration and then eating living foods that's another way to to be part of nature so grow your own sprouts that's an easy thing that everyone can do and just eating a handful of sprouts every day you get that living life force energy so there are a few simple ways that anyone can do to bring more nature inside or into life to help from living in these very unnatural worlds that we live in now. Just even living in a box, that we all live in boxes. It's really important to be out living or breaking free from that box in as many ways as possible.
Tyler:
[1:04:45] So for the guy listening who's, you know, eating Flaming Hot Cheetos and drinking Code Red Mountain Dew and hasn't been outside in a week and hasn't talked to a girl in years, the idea that you're presenting of it's so easy. Just, you know, grow your own sprouts and like you can just surround yourself with plants and you can just like just not do anything. No phone. Just sit down and think alone for five minutes a day. Right. sounds like insurmountable like that it's crazy as that sounds to you and me that's all just simple stuff right to someone who's so disconnected from nature and they exist where I'll give you an example when I first met my wife Uh, I showed her a picture of some onions I had just picked from the garden and she's like, what are those green things on top of the onions?
Tyler:
[1:05:41] And I'm like, I realized, okay, you've never seen an onion that didn't come from the grocery store ever in your life. So you think that these two vegetables are different plants, the green onions and the onion bulb itself, you don't even recognize that they're the same plant. And times that by a million for a lot of people you know think about the the amount of people who are eating like microwave tyson chicken who have never interacted with the chicken in their life maybe never even seen a chicken in person um and if you live in the middle of a giant city that's very real that you you may have never you know you eat a steak you don't you you buy ground chuck and you don't know what where on the cow a chuck is um that's how far removed they are and so and just being addicted to constant input you know from whatever they're listening to or reading or doing or you know scrolling through something for a dopamine hit like five minutes without doing that is torture to them is it like oh my how did you how do you even do nothing like I can't just do nothing and I'm not even making this up I mean real mental health crisis of I can't just do nothing like you go into a panic attack the moment that you have to just be alone with your thoughts this is every day all around us all the time at this point that's how far gone it is
Isabella:
[1:07:09] Yeah, you're so right. I try not to think about the facts that you're talking about because I know that really is the case for a lot of people. A lot of people are so disconnected and really so far disconnected that I don't know. I would just pick one, just do one thing, one beneficial thing, And to me, that would just be go outside, just stop looking at the screen and go outside and look at the trees, look at the clouds, look at the ants, just spend some time not looking at a screen. I think that's the, you have to be where to start with that.
Tyler:
[1:07:59] What do you think um were some of the things that from your your experience in the in the cult that when you look at the world now specifically it's like this happened to me and that's what it is at you know the bigger scale if you could give some like clear examples of where it's happening
Isabella:
[1:08:20] So i was able to see that what happened to me in the cult in terms of the those tactics that the cult leaders use with the controlling of the, what food is eaten, what you do with your time you know how you.
Isabella:
[1:08:41] Like make choices for who you're going to spend your life with and spend your money on. I could see how those sorts of control mechanisms were being used on humanity. You know, we are controlled as to how we live our life, that whole nine-to-five work routine thing. That's a whole system of control. Like who says that? We have to live like that. Who says we have to work five days and have two days off? There's no time for anything when people have that work routine everyone's just so buggered they do want to come home and vegetate out and you know there's no work for no time or headspace to think critically is just wanting to check out basically from that grind so i could see how that you know that work routine is just like what was in the cult like there's no time for thinking outside the box you just got to follow along then you know you get uh become a debt slave where you take out a loan not that there's anything wrong with you know borrowing money or whatever but most people are indebted either through student loans or house loans or whatever so that keeps people in a slave system where you do have to get up and go to work and do that grind sure i could see how a.
Tyler:
[1:09:56] Mortgage is indentured servitude to the mortgage company you're you're signing away your your future income a huge percentage of your life and a lot of the decisions you're going to make financially on on a mortgage statement saying i'm borrowing money from this bank and i owe you for 35 years which is no different really than you know my ancestors like irish people come into america and then literally signing themselves into indentured servitude for years so that one day they could earn citizenship and be a free man
Isabella:
[1:10:31] That's right. It's just another aspect of the control system. Sure. And then there's the, like the food system's controlled. So now most people are on offer in the supermarket. Most of the supermarket is ultra-processed crap. It's poison. It actually makes people sick, causes all sorts of chronic illnesses, and doesn't give the brain the nutrition it needs to think clearly or operate properly. So that's another you know that whole the food uh food in itself is being used as a as a weapon to keep us controlled keep us sick and suffering and limited and small and there's the whole government in itself which is slavery right no one's got the right to control anyone else not to say in an ideal society we wouldn't have some uh like organizational structure but it's not going to be pyramid power down if you don't participate or agree or whatever you're going to be punished it's going to be more egalitarian so that whole the political system the divide you know it's the two-party system so you're either this side or that side so people are always fighting and warring us but they're really just the same they're the same um part of the same team and that's the team technocracy you know the team enslave humanity they just present this.
Isabella:
[1:11:57] Bizarre circus on the outside that gives people the idea that they're making a choice, that they can actually have an effect on government, whereas really, no, you don't. It's all selection. It's all just a stage where you've got bad actors and the Hegelian dialectic in full swing, and that keeps us divided and conquered.
Tyler:
[1:12:22] You brought up pro wrestling earlier. I just wanted to make this analogy. When I was first, you know, I was sitting in Europe talking to some people there
Tyler:
[1:12:33] and they were asking me, you know, like about what was going on in our politics. And at the time, I don't remember what exactly it was, but I just tried to explain to them like this because people think like you need to vote, you need to do this, you need to be participating in that. And I just the best analogy I could give them I was like okay look American politics works the same way that Wrestlemania works like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant are pretending to fight on the stage and then when they're done they're going backstage and they're cracking open a beer together shaking hands saying good job out there we really had them convinced and they both make money and the company makes money and you were fooled by the performance and that's really more i'm not saying that's exactly i'm not saying that you know hillary clinton and and donald trump are high-fiving afterwards but i am saying that at a much larger scale the two parties in america are the same party of this is the billionaire ruling class and then we're the rest of them you see what i'm saying yeah
Isabella:
[1:13:42] I agree with what you're saying. Yeah. I think it's just all a big show, an evil clown show. Yeah. So that's the whole government thing, right? So everyone, but everyone's in fear of the government, so everyone pays their taxes, which is really theft. Because we, you know, that whole idea like who's going to fix the roads, that's all just garbage. This taxation system is, they're already millionaires. They don't need the fucking money. They've got all the money that they want. It's only designed to keep us impoverished. So we don't get ahead. So we do have to keep paying them. I mean, obviously they're using the money for whatever they want, which is usually nefarious shit. But really, the whole taxation system is just to keep us impoverished.
Tyler:
[1:14:25] If you want to know how fucked tax money gets just at a small scale like go work for the federal government for any period of time and just like just for me being in the air force for six years seeing how money gets wasted alone without even considering all the black budget shit we do and all the weird government agencies that we're spending billions of dollars and don't understand And omitting all of that, just seeing how, like, at a squadron level, they make decisions like, let's make sure we don't lose our fiscal income. So by the end of October, we need to buy $30,000 worth of shit that we don't need. And then, okay, so we're going to buy a standing desk for all the computers in our office. and then they don't get used because they're not even the right size and then they shove them in a, you know, a locker somewhere like a warehouse. And then later when somebody wants to use them, like, oh, you can't because that's reallocating government funds. This was spent on that, so we can't sell them to you directly. There's laws against that. So you're just wasting now warehouse space on making sure you don't get a smaller budget next year because you didn't spend your total budget when in fact you could have spent it on putting lines in a parking lot or childcare for the people who work here, anything other than just blowing it all in the last three weeks of having money.
Tyler:
[1:15:55] Just that, and then extrapolate to the size of the entire military industrial complex. That is how money gets spent. And then extrapolate that out to the entire rest of just the U.S. government. And then if you think that's inefficient, go look at what they do with socialist money and how crazily that gets spent. And I'm not saying it's worse or better, but it's equally as screwed up because now just instead of the free market deciding, well, the government just gets to make every decision and they have no incentive whatsoever to limit their spending except how much they have to tell you is coming on tax day. In denmark they're smiling while they get taxed like 38 to 50 percent of their money on everything um they're like we live in the happiest country in the world we also live in the highest rate of ssri uh prescriptions in the world like we all have access to health care which is giving us this medicine that makes it easiest for it to accept that we're not free right you know there's layers of that but my question i get i'll always come back to is it on purpose or is it just happenstance like is there really someone pulling levers on this or is it just the failures of a market no
Isabella:
[1:17:13] There's definitely a force that's directing our evolution in a um in a certain way it's not human nature to be, It's not my human nature, and I'm sure it's not your human nature to be mean and unkind and enjoy watching people suffer and know that there's enough money to take care of people but not wanting to do it. It becomes more obvious every day that there is evil afoot because otherwise there wouldn't be that money wasted. Otherwise, governments really would act in ways that are for everyone's benefit, not just for the benefit of the few.
Isabella:
[1:17:56] We wouldn't be seeing these um bankers wars we wouldn't be seeing the chemtrails we wouldn't be seeing the pharmaceutical drugs poisoning people we wouldn't be seeing people being brainwashed by television if there wasn't these evil forces acting upon humanity because it's not in our nature to be cruel there there's and to enjoy watching people suffer there's an evil force that does run through some people that allows them to act in those ways. But for most of us, our nature is to be good and kind and caring and want other people to be free from pain and suffering. That is our nature. But there's another force, an evil force, that's defiling humans. And I'm able to see more and more evidence of that, But as, like I said before, as the intensity of the light goes on in these, whatever they are, they're groups of people or leaders of heads of government or celebrities or whatever, but how they all really are working together for the detriment of humankind, not the upliftment, not the evolution but the enslavement and the devolution of humankind.
Isabella:
[1:19:23] And before I started talking about some of the systems that are in place, we've got the education system that's in place. For God's sake, what an absolute fucking nightmare. That's just publicly sanctioned child abuse from the get-go. From the get-go, like children are taken from their families at a really young age and put into these institutions where they're brainwashed and their brains are filled with shit. And they're not really learning anything that's useful about life. Not learning how to be human. Not learning how to grow food, pair food.
Isabella:
[1:19:53] Not learning how to do basic like car repairs or you know just not learning basic shit of how to be human but instead of this other garbage and then spat out the end with some you know idea that you've got to be a debts nine to five debt slave for the rest of your life that's the education system so people are born in a box live in a box educated in a box work in a box and think in a box and that's all the education system then the watch a box right that reinforces it all and so there's so little opportunity for people just to realize that oh there is a box there is this box that we're all living in and supposed to just accept and then you got the religions that just adds into the having people live in fear and fearful people are easily controlled so if you're thinking that, you know, you're going to burn in hell or whatever. You're not going to be living in life fully. And that's the sin. Those religions that put fear in people when really there should be no intermediary between us and our higher power, our intuition. No one belongs there. No other being, just straight direct connection to source. And everyone has that ability. Everyone can listen to intuition. We don't need to be controlled and manipulated and made fearful through religions. And then there's science, and science has just been totally just destroyed by, you know, everything.
Isabella:
[1:21:21] Special interest groups so now experiments are done and they're all funded so what what what i don't know what it's what's happened to science it just seems to be um another way that we're manipulated to believe certain things about the way that reality is or the way that we're supposed to be so anyway i believe that all these systems that are in place have been put in place by some force, some intelligence, some entity, some groups of beings or whatever, and they are designed to take us away from our birthright as being sovereign beings who are here to live in peace and harmony and abundance with each other and with nature because that's what's available here. We have enough resources. We have enough land. we have enough wherewithal money and all that for everyone to be housed and fed everyone on the planet no one should be suffering from any lack of food or housing or shelter and that's how i know that there is are evil forces in place because so many people are suffering so many it's just, heartbreaking it's heartbreaking how many more people are living without homes, and how many more people are addicted to all sorts of substances. Yeah, it's heartbreaking.
Tyler:
[1:22:49] At the same time, there's a guy named Gad Saad. He's, I think, a Canadian college professor, but he had published recently a lot of work on what he calls suicidal empathy. So you were talking about earlier how it's almost always a relationship in a cult between a narcissist and someone who is codependent or extraordinarily compassionate, right? So like the more empathetic and compassionate you are, the more trusting you're going to be and allow someone to potentially take advantage of you. You're always going to think the best, you know, oh, everyone, you know, everyone's good. Everyone's nice. It's flowers and unicorns. No one would ever want to hurt anybody.
Tyler:
[1:23:33] I'm sure he has his reasons. All that, all that stuff. You know, this is like as old as Adam and Eve, like the dichotomy of, you know, empathy and then, or I should say intuition and logic. So for a young mother, the natural inclination when you hear a baby cries is to give them whatever they want. And it's the role, I'm not saying these are the only two gender roles in the world, just archetypically speaking. The role of the father is often to kind of coax towards independence. And the goal of two parents ought to be ideally to turn out an emotionally stable relationship
Tyler:
[1:24:12] Smart and you know independent adult who can think for themselves and interface with their feelings and too often people are some you know we're on that spectrum that's not exactly in the middle right so ideally you want two two people raising a kid to represent both sides of that polarity um and that's something i think about a lot because of course my the mother of my child my wife is the most profoundly empathetic sweet caring person in the world but then you could argue like maybe maybe kind of easy to take advantage of because she's like she'll let someone go to the nth degree of i'm gonna help you i'm gonna help you i'm gonna help you you know and at a certain point it's like okay you if you keep your kid from uh being able to fall and skin his knee he's never gonna learn not to do that for him you know to just to just deal with that himself um and so the allowing i would say this is just overall on the left side of politics right now we have this insistence on being super aware and empathetic and caring about everyone else's problems and issues and the little things that make them uncomfortable and not want to participate etc you know and in trying our best to make life easy so that you don't have to suffer with all these things
Tyler:
[1:25:36] On the opposite that end of that spectrum is like you know omitting the billionaire ruling class just like how people you know everyday people feel is like you're over here worrying about you know some kid in another country who can't eat what about the motherfuckers who are mining coal in kentucky that can't eat you know why can't we deal with this you know and you're telling me i have to bend over everything about my belief system and how i you know live my life or whatever to conform with somebody who i don't even know's problems right i think that's overwhelming like people aren't meant to evolutionarily we've never had to think at this scale you know if you were a serf in a kingdom uh you might know who the fucking lord of the land is and then everything above that is just a bunch of whatever there's a king somewhere who lives in a far-off place i'll never see and never hear you know that that's not a reality in my life so we would just interface with things at the scale that we comprehended and it made us easy to take advantage of but it also made things more bearable because we you know you're not it's like you said earlier, if you're not aware of the jail that you're in, you don't even know you're in a jail.
Tyler:
[1:26:52] And as soon as you start seeing the size of the jail just exponentially increase every new question you ask about it, it's traumatic to, I think, a normal person's human brain.
Isabella:
[1:27:08] Yeah, it is traumatic to a normal person's brain. That's why most people don't want to accept that there is a lot more going on, that's not being presented through the mainstream media, even that belief that if it's not in the news, it's not happening. Like, really, I would think we'd be so far beyond that, but we're not. I remember when I started to conceive that there was actually nefarious shit going on from the government. They're not my friends. are actually manipulating things too, like that whole scandemic thing. There were people who just don't want to accept that that level of corruption goes on because it really does require a complete breakdown of one's worldview. So everything that you believed in, all who you trusted in, what you've been taught, all that to actually start accepting that I've been lied to, this is a lie, this is all just a fucking fraud. To accept that takes a lot of courage and most people don't want to do they'd rather accept uncomfortable lies than really go after the truth because it's scary as shit when you realize that you know that you're being lied to and manipulated because who can you trust.
Tyler:
[1:28:25] I think the scary part is you know trying your best along the way not to slip into the mindset said that everything is, I'm not even saying it isn't. I'm just saying that if you start to, you know, look for patterns, you'll see it everywhere and then it could drive you crazy.
Tyler:
[1:28:42] So for me, I was a weather forecaster in the Air Force. I think I know a lot about climate, weather patterns, et cetera. Then recently someone was kind of confronting me about geoengineering and the whole idea of, you know, like engineering the climate and the idea that, You know, the government is doing this with chemtrails, and there's the HAARP system heating up the ionosphere to control and steer hurricanes into North Carolina and all this stuff. And so...
Tyler:
[1:29:15] In order for, I'm not saying how I feel about it, because I don't know how I feel about that. It's just an interesting thing that I would, I am inclined to say that's a bunch of nonsense. It doesn't make any sense. I've never seen anything that even suggested that that could be the case the entire time I was in the Air Force. I've never seen a plane able to do what you're saying. But then, you know, people come to me, they're like, well, there's patents for these kinds of devices. This isn't normal, what we're seeing on the satellite image, all that kind of stuff. And just simply for me to go from that's a bunch of horse shit nonsense and i'm not even going to hear you out to okay what if i what if i allow this to be true what what concessions do i need to make within my own mental framework to to even be open-minded to the possibility that this could be happening and it's like at the level of i have to think in order to believe in geoengineering that every single day of my entire career in the air force doing the weather was a total sham and everyone else around me was convinced too and that somebody was so clever that they hid all this from us and no one ever noticed the pattern and that's a lot to give up i'm not saying it's not something i can't shed i've shed a lot of ideas you know that i found out later to be wrong or you know i needed to be more open-minded about or whatever but just that level of
Tyler:
[1:30:39] Reconsidering what i believe is so hard and i i know that there's a bunch of people out there listening you know to to your story and they have their arms crossed and they're saying those this would never happen to me i could never be manipulated like that but then they just what they often don't realize is like, oh, you are right now. And it's so good. You don't even realize it's happening to you.
Isabella:
[1:31:05] I know. You know, I've had that said to me, how could you get in a cult? And what I'm thinking about is you were in a cult right now. You just don't know it. Yeah, it's true. That is true.
Isabella:
[1:31:18] Yeah, I think it's important to keep that open-mindedness about, or I do that too, about what I'm learning too because new information does come. Things do change rather than holding on to these fixed ideas that we got taught in school or whatever that get reinforced by the television. It's important to be open-minded and prepared to analyze information as it comes in rather than just accepting it or not accepting it. I remember when I first even heard the term conspiracy theorist or whatever, I then learned that that was actually a term that was introduced by the CIA at the time of the Kennedy murder because they were trying to throw people off the trail of the truth.
Isabella:
[1:32:08] I also, this is another, here we go on this tangent too, I also believe that whoever, whatever is the force that's controlling us uses black magic. We're dealing with demonic forces here that use black magic. And one of the ways that that black magic gets used is through language. So the term conspiracy theorist or conspiracy theory itself is entrained so that when people hear that, They will immediately stop any further investigating into the truth and they will actually stop critical thinking at that point. They'll just throw out that term and that's it. They won't go any further instead of saying, oh, let me take a look at that. It's just like, no, conspiracy theory and just dismiss that information. So there are many more examples of how that we're being thrown off the trail of truth or just kept in the dark where the truth gets obfuscated and changed in ways that we don't really have much clue about until you start looking.
Tyler:
[1:33:20] If words aren't magic, why do we call it spelling? That's what I've always wanted to know. And it's absolutely true. And hypnotizing people with words, with images, with whatever, you know, keeps them distracted long enough for you to continue doing what you
Tyler:
[1:33:36] need to do while they, you know, fight amongst themselves. One of the things you described in the organization you were a part of was pitting people against each other so that they're too busy fighting amongst themselves to even focus on who's manipulating us.
Isabella:
[1:33:48] Right.
Tyler:
[1:33:49] And that's, yeah.
Isabella:
[1:33:51] It's very effective strategy.
Tyler:
[1:33:53] Even in the military, you'll have the Bravo, Alpha, and Charlie units are all constantly competing with each other. And we're going to meet up and have the squadron football game between our different groups. In the Air Force, we call them flights or whatever. And then the commander gives you a prize when you win. And it's like, on one hand, that's good. We should be getting out, getting some exercise, having some healthy, friendly competition. But what are we being distracted from? And the fact is that, okay, well, you're all on 12-hour shifts right now because we're gearing up for this thing, and it's probably not going to change anytime soon, and the pandemic's happening all at the same time, so we know you're fucking miserable, and you're probably thinking about ending it all. So we're going to organize a barbecue for the company, and we're all going to play softball together for a Sunday, which, by the way, you have to attend. I know you wanted a day off, but we can't do that for you either. And then people are just like showing up and be like, oh, I'm so happy that we could just have a beer on a Sunday. It's so great. And I'm like, yo, I just want to be at home with my family right now.
Tyler:
[1:34:58] And we're still, we're all sitting here fucking saluting this flag and, you know, all this, doing all this common courtesies nonsense, pretending like the, you know, lieutenant colonel that we work for is some kind of fucking God. And not to say I even have a problem with that person, right? Or even that that person realizes the level of bullshit that they're interacting with. But it's just that level of cognitive dissonance is so disheartening to, especially when you have the sunglasses on, you see what, see it around you. So yeah it must be really really difficult i would say for your person who's working their ass off maybe two or three jobs nine to five and then you know evening shifts or whatever to just to pay for like your kid's medication and then you know suggesting like well why do you need to work 40 hours a week why do you need to do that why do you need to participate in all these different things that it's set up for you and to them they're just so caught up in that trap like i I can't even imagine being, you know, if I needed to spend the time I need to, to go out and think about life and like go to some other place or even take a weekend in the woods, I would have to take off work, which means I'm not going to be able to afford to put food on the table.
Tyler:
[1:36:08] There's no getting them out of that except to, you know, potentially uproot them. Flint, Michigan with the water crisis, you know, like our water is terrible. We can't drink it, you know. And I'm like, the first mistake that we're making here at the ground level is continuing after all of these decades of them promising to fix this problem that they're going to use our tax money to fix that problem. Because it could have been fixed. I mean, if we can put a fucking man on the moon, we could fix somebody's water. So the best thing for these people, unfortunately, is probably like get up and fucking leave.
Tyler:
[1:36:39] Like start walking somewhere where you can just go to a fresh water source instead of continuing to sit there in this trap that you're in letting the government feed you poison water and not do anything about it and promise you they're going to do something about it and still not do anything about it um but to tell someone on the ground level yeah you should the best advice i have for you is uproot everything leave your home go somewhere else which usually only happens for like spiritual journeys like the mormons did that but they didn't really have a choice because they were you know being chased out um and the pilgrims who came to america etc it's like it's always got to be something really big that changes your whole mindset of how the world works in order to take that kind of risk
Isabella:
[1:37:26] Yeah, it's evil genius. The intelligence behind all this, like, enslavement of humanity is evil genius. Everything works so brilliantly to just mindfuck people and keep people in the state of ignorance and suffering. Yeah.
Tyler:
[1:37:50] What do your kids think of all this?
Isabella:
[1:37:53] Oh my god that's a whole another sad thing so um my daughters have both um alienated me, as a result of the brainwashing that they received about me from when they were young they were told that i was well i'm not even i don't even know you need to use the words to describe it basically that i was a crazy bitch and so they've chosen to live their lives without me which has been excruciating. It's basically like I haven't, it's been like two more deaths, really.
Isabella:
[1:38:31] So I don't really have a relationship with any of my children. And the thing is, I know people would judge me like that I'm somehow a bad person and I've done wrong things, I've done bad things, but I did everything that I could to give my girls what I believe was a good childhood, right from natural births, lotus births, no vaccinations, Waldorf School. So I really put my heart and soul into it, but it just didn't work out for me, the whole parenting thing. It's been a source of my greatest pain. I wish them well. I know what it was like for me to live my life with a fractious relationship with my mother. It was not fun at all. So I hope they're doing well. It was a decision that, yeah, it was very evil and cruel in the end.
Tyler:
[1:39:26] I'm sorry to hear that. What are the things that they believe that you did wrong?
Isabella:
[1:39:31] Well, that I got us into a cult that ended up, I know that's for my oldest daughter, that I got us into a cult that ended up with her brother being murdered. So that was my fault.
Tyler:
[1:39:42] Sure.
Isabella:
[1:39:43] And in some ways she's right.
Tyler:
[1:39:44] I imagine for her that makes it hard for her to trust your judgment in some cases. Yeah. Yeah.
Isabella:
[1:39:50] Yeah.
Tyler:
[1:39:52] I'm sorry to
Isabella:
[1:39:54] Hear that yeah it's been like I said it's been excruciating really I've had a lot of excruciating lessons that I need to, find a way through them sure.
Tyler:
[1:40:12] Remember, for me, I had a very similar thing. I have a great relationship with my mom now, but growing up, I had a really, really hard time trusting her, specifically her judgment. Simp, just to open up a little bit, she was married several times. After her and my dad split up, it took her three more times to make it stick.
Tyler:
[1:40:37] For me, I was so used to seeing her just stand up for herself and walk away whenever anything got bad that when she finally chose to like get through the tough times with someone it shocked me right it made me like like it made me feel and i think this is natural for a lot of young kids like you're picking him over us kind of thing and you know and it took a decade probably to mend that disconnect whereas like you know now Now when I look at what she's been through and all of the circumstances that she had to get past in order to get where she is now, I think, okay, well, if I put myself in your shoes, I can't say I would have made different decisions. It's just that, you know, from the perspective of a kid, I see you choosing to do something that seems irrational to me. But in reality, what she was trying to do is like undo years of pushing away relationships because she didn't trust anyone because she grew up in a shitty situation where it was easy for someone to take advantage of her. But I didn't understand that until I was much older.
Isabella:
[1:41:47] So was it your...
Tyler:
[1:41:48] Go ahead.
Isabella:
[1:41:49] Was that when you healed your relationship with your mom, was that as a result
Isabella:
[1:41:56] of work that you did on yourself to understand where she was coming from, would you say?
Tyler:
[1:42:02] I would say both of us, you know, both of us had a lot of time. And when I, it was really when I became an adult and left home, right? Like I often did the whole Air Force thing and, you know, had a lot of my own life experiences, found out what it's like to be an adult and pay taxes and, you know, manage relationships and all that kind of stuff and have the space to think about, you know, when you're living your childhood, you're in it. But, you know, once you're outside of it, it's like I can look back and compare and talk to other people. What was your experience? And the more wide experiences that you can hear about and learn about, I'd say the more open minded you become. And then on her end, it was like once the kids are out, you know, once I'm away, she doesn't have to raise me anymore. She has time to reflect on the decisions that she made, too. And she to this day still apologizes about like shit that she'd, you know, that happened when I was a kid that I don't even think about anymore. But, you know, to her, it's like, I feel like that was one of the things I did that may have sent you, you know, a little awry, or in some cases, a lot awry, because I mean, I wasn't, I think I'm an okay, well put together adult now, but it, you know, it took me till I was 30 to get there. For a long time, I was struggling with a lot. And I think that her self-recognizing some of the things that she did and then me also being able to forgive and understand more about why
Tyler:
[1:43:28] And have the empathy to say, like, you are a human being too. Like, you make mistakes just like everybody else did. You were not very well equipped, you know, as an adult. Like at the time that she had me, she had just come out of a life of not the kind of life that equips you to just know how to be a good parent because she didn't have good examples of what good parents were. Luckily, I can say to my kid, like, I learned a lot from that and I learned a lot from my own childhood and I'm going to just do better with you. That's the best I can do. And hopefully one day he'll look back and say, like, OK, well, you know, you could have done this a little differently in that. But overall, you had your heart in the right place. And thank you. That's my goal, at least.
Isabella:
[1:44:15] You've done good work. You've done really good work on yourself and then healing with your mother and you will be a great father and your son will be so much better off from you having done that work. It's really important to make an effort to reduce the multi-generational trauma that gets passed on from one generation to the next. So thank you. It's a really important contribution that you're making to a better world through your relationship with your children and kids.
Tyler:
[1:44:51] There are relationships that are so toxic you just have to cut ties with them. But I would say if it's available to you, even if you're a kid out there and you have a shitty relationship with your parents, even if your parents are really pretty terrible, it does a lot just to set your own boundaries and decide how much you want to go in at a time and how far you want to let them get along. But try to understand them makes a big difference. I think I was kind of cursed by a having access to all of human knowledge in my pocket and also being a relatively intelligent kid that a lot of my frustrations with with my parents were centered around. John, I feel like I know more than you do. And I'm angry at you for not realizing this, whatever it is. So, you know, I was having a conversation with my dad about the Bible, right? And just kind of unpacking where are you at now with this? Where am I at now with this? And all that sort of thing. And I caught myself like getting angry at him for not knowing. I'm like, how do you not know about the Council of Nicaea? How do you not know
Tyler:
[1:45:59] That perhaps John, the writer of this gospel, probably wasn't around when Jesus was around? How do you not know about the gospel of Mary and the book of Enoch and all this shit? And he like,
Tyler:
[1:46:13] Blew you know blew me away because he's like look i want you to think about when i was a kid in the 70s we didn't have the fucking internet and the only information we got was like we lived in a small town right so what our teacher told us on sunday what they taught us in school in the textbook and whatever was in the newspaper maybe what was on tv that's fucking it like you're coming at this whole argument you know and you're judging me for not knowing all this stuff that you've just had in your pocket since you were 10 years old and I'm supposed to just catch up with this all now as a 50 year old man it's not fair like you're you're judging me from a point of view that doesn't make sense because I couldn't have been given the same amount of access that you did and I wasn't even as naturally curious you know like people didn't have a reason to be naturally curious because there was no way to get that information unless you left your town and went searching for it and it would take you a lifetime to get what we can now get in a night time of scrolling through wikipedia or watching youtube videos or whatever it is and that blew my mind because i was like you know what you're 100 right like i'm i'm making you feel stupid on purpose for something that's completely outside of your control yeah um and i think yeah i think every kid could do do well to just just learn and understand the circumstances your parents were in when they made the decisions they were making.
Tyler:
[1:47:40] Even if your mom's a fucking benzo addict or whatever, what led her up to that point in her life where she needed to numb her feelings every day in order to just live? And you don't have to forgive her for that, but you could at least understand it and not make the same mistakes yourself.
Isabella:
[1:47:56] It's very wise words. Mm-hmm.
Tyler:
[1:48:01] I'm sorry, it sounds like a really emotional thing. We can move on if you'd like.
Isabella:
[1:48:10] Yeah, it's important for me to be able to talk about things that are uncomfortable and painful and probably judged in certain ways, but it's part of my experience. And I've learned that it's not uncommon. Is actually I know personally a number of people who are my age whose children have abandoned them, and I agree with what you said that there are some relationships that are so toxic that it's best to leave them or go no contact I completely understand that I actually had to do that with my own um mother and uh but there are other times too like you're saying I think as part of a being a, emotionally mature human being to learn to appreciate what it might have been like for someone else, what their life experiences was like that led them to make those choices.
Tyler:
[1:49:09] What was it about your childhood that you think formed this initial sort of codependent latching system for you?
Isabella:
[1:49:20] It was my mother. She was an alcoholic and and had a narcissistic personality disorder so she didn't have the ability to love me or love anyone it's just it's not possible even if they say that or you know buy your stuff or whatever as a, As a child, I mean, not that I have a conscious memory now of not feeling loved, but I knew that I wasn't. I knew that I had to do well in school to get her approval. I could feel that her attention was elsewhere, and that was really on herself and on her new relationship or whatever. And that really set me up for all the situations that I got into because I was looking to find that place to belong, that unconditional love, that approval, being told that I was beautiful or wanted or anything like that. I just didn't get that as a child.
Tyler:
[1:50:28] Did your mother, was she born narcissistic or do you think that she developed narcissistic tendencies over time?
Isabella:
[1:50:36] I think she developed narcissistic tendencies because her mother was even worse.
Tyler:
[1:50:40] Sure.
Isabella:
[1:50:40] My grandmother, she never talked about anything other than what she was interested in and she talked nonstop like a verbal stream of consciousness and she was basically the most self-obsessed person that I've ever met. She wasn't necessarily super mean or nasty or all that, but she was just self-obsessed and very judgmental. So yeah, that was my mother's mother. And then my mother was just doing what she knew to do, and that's to make it all about how you appear to the world and to just get your needs met.
Tyler:
[1:51:22] Yeah, it's really interesting because I think the relationship a child has with their parents, especially their mother, maybe more so, really has a huge impact on who you're going to be as an adult.
Isabella:
[1:51:35] Yeah, it's fun. That whole family dynamic is fundamental to how we go through life.
Tyler:
[1:51:43] Sure. I mean, 100% of serial killers have a fucked up relationship with their mom. And that says something a lot about...
Isabella:
[1:51:52] Yeah, it does.
Tyler:
[1:51:53] Where that comes from. It does. Empathy comes from your mother teaching you to be empathetic. That's hopefully the role that she accepts. And without that, you grow to, I mean, the men who end up becoming serial killers, they grow to resent their mother. They hate her. And she represents women to them. So that's why they victimize women. Right. Because they're just looking at their mom the whole time. And this is like self-described. This is not me making this up. Like go listen to interviews with all of them.
Isabella:
[1:52:22] Yeah.
Tyler:
[1:52:22] Society didn't help me out starting with my mom so why would I care about society you're completely asocial dissociated from reality and that's tough because you know you listen to someone like Manson talk and it's like I'm inclined to agree with a lot of what he has to say or Kaczynski you know the Unabomber like a lot of his complaints are valid complaints they are and unfortunately they're just taking it out on the wrong people in many cases.
Isabella:
[1:52:54] I think both Kaczynski and Manson were part of the MKUltra program at some point. Most of them are. They've been basically conditioned or trained or programmed by government agencies to do what they did. I don't know. Maybe they're all part of it just to see what happens to the mind under certain conditions. Or maybe they are training serial killers or bombers or whatever, which is probably more the case.
Tyler:
[1:53:23] I think that it was an answer to the 60s really like the the the powers that be were trying to combat the free love open-minded hippie movement that they were seeing and in some cases with valid reason like we can't have you know there's no such thing as free love like if you you could do that for a little while and then eventually you're going to have a generation of kids that were raised by teenage mothers with no father and that's exactly what we got with generation x
Isabella:
[1:53:53] Um apparently that i've heard or read that that whole hippie movement was also part of the mk ultra it's all part of it all that it was to break down the fabric of society break down morals break down, relationships between uh one generation and another so instead of looking up to that other generation for respect it's more you know the opposite in fact so yeah i have heard that does make sense to me that it was all part of the same, all from the same, what do you call them, organizations for the purpose of destroying society individually and as a whole.
Tyler:
[1:54:40] That's a good place to leave off because I need to go to the restroom, and you can too if you need But I want to talk about that and your black magic idea a little bit more. We'll be right back. So, the puppet master, the hands above even Nixon and even Stalin and Putin and Trump and all this stuff, what's above that in your mindset? Who are they negotiating with?
Isabella:
[1:55:15] Negotiating with non-human, sub-human, anti-human, satanic parasites.
Tyler:
[1:55:22] Okay.
Isabella:
[1:55:23] That's my best understanding of who they are. How are you? They've had lots of...
Tyler:
[1:55:29] Go ahead.
Isabella:
[1:55:30] There's lots of different names being given to them over time. You know, there's lots of different names given to the different groups that they represent. You know, there's Archons and Demons and Fallen Angels. But I don't know exactly who they are. That's part of how they operate, is that they stay invisible, generally. And they just have their minions that take human form to do their dirty work. And they can too. I believe that they can take different forms. They're shapeshifters. They can present as looking human.
Tyler:
[1:56:14] How would you know one if you saw one?
Isabella:
[1:56:21] I would know them by their lack of warmth as a being, and probably their eyes would be dull.
Tyler:
[1:56:40] It's an interesting thing about the human eye is that i think we all feel that we can see you know the soul the light the spirit the fire within through the lens of the eyes um so this is obviously something you develop later because there was a point in time when i'm sure you were looking into someone's soulless eyes and thinking that you could trust them so yeah how did you learn that skill
Isabella:
[1:57:07] By looking into people's eyes and learning where their intent, whether they're, I don't remember when I learned that. I remember in the cult, we had to do this exercise. It's done in other places too, called eye gazing.
Tyler:
[1:57:26] Yep.
Isabella:
[1:57:27] Where you get to look into someone's eyes and keep looking and keep looking and move through the discomfort.
Tyler:
[1:57:33] A lot of acting schools do this.
Isabella:
[1:57:36] Oh, they do?
Tyler:
[1:57:37] Yeah.
Isabella:
[1:57:38] That's probably where he got it from. Because he was an actor. Yeah, that's an interesting exercise.
Isabella:
[1:57:47] That uh that i've done a few times i wouldn't actually now i wouldn't want to do it anymore i don't want to do that exercise anymore it was in the cult what usually happened with those types of exercises is people would go into uh step like fits of crying and screaming and it was actually really demonic it was more about bringing demonic energy into bodies than, exploring you know someone's else else's soul it was more like bringing demons in And I know this is a touchy subject for people, talking about demons and black magic and all that, but it's real. It happens. It does. Just because you don't know about it or it's uncomfortable, it's still going on, regardless of anyone's opinions about it.
Tyler:
[1:58:31] No. I mean, it's like one tier above surface level investigating spirituality and religion. If you just look at it on the blank surface of things, of just ignoring the esoteric and only reading the basic stuff from each religion, you don't really get there other than a vague story of God and the devil or some form of duality. But if you go one step deeper, it starts to open up. You start looking at the actual institutions of purveying this information that exists. And how they've passed information down over time and the way that they obscure themselves on purpose. This has been documented, you know, and that could be from a lot of different points of view. And it's really hard to tell who the good guys and the bad guys really are. But so when someone looks at the American dollar, right, and they see the pyramid with the eye, which is the eye of providence, right? And their first instinct is like Illuminati. You know, our government's run by the Illuminati. they're putting these secret sacred symbols and stuff, it's magic, they're fucking with our minds. And it's because they're all reptile aliens and they're sucking the blood of children in a hot dog parlor somewhere or whatever. Some of that might be true. But on the other hand, it's like...
Tyler:
[1:59:51] The access to that information is the real determining factor of whether or not you have a magical power through symbolism. So just because you see the Eye of Providence doesn't mean it's the archons. But the archons know about that, and so do the Freemasons and the Order of the
Tyler:
[2:00:10] Golden Dawn and a lot of theologists and all different groups of people. But they're just you know they're like past spirituality 101 and have i think moved into that you know maybe master's program if you will of how to understand that stuff and it's it's hard to like i said to sort out the weight from the chaff and the who's who but yes there are dark forces i don't think this is up for debate there are definitely dark people out there who are you Depending on what lens you come from, they're working for the black magician or the devil or they're demonic or they're any word you choose. They could be reptile aliens for all I know who do use magic, as we understand it, to manipulate the world. And then on the same side, you have people who are also using that same magic to combat them. and this is happening around us all the time without us even really knowing that it's going on unless we just look a little bit deeper.
Tyler:
[2:01:12] But the power of symbols alone. We talked earlier about words and spelling and a word is a symbol and the symbols that we use to make a word are symbols and everything breaks down into some sort of symbolic understanding of whatever's going on metaphysically above us. And understanding that
Tyler:
[2:01:34] Just because you see something that you don't understand doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. It just means that it's there. It's evident. And then you being able to determine if it's being used for good or bad is also very important. But you have to practice and have to get better and better at this in order to not get lost in the miasma of the labyrinth of potential rabbit holes you could go down that are diverting you from whatever the real truth is. And there's way more falsities than there are one truths. Yeah.
Tyler:
[2:02:08] You mentioned doing a lot of these spiritual retreats and learning about this stuff. What are some of the things that you're studying that are helping to arrive at these conclusions?
Isabella:
[2:02:21] I've listened to—I haven't read any books for a while because I just find that I learn better through audiobooks. So I listened to, like, the Cabalian and some of the teachings of Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner. I listened to him a lot.
Tyler:
[2:02:41] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:02:42] And also...
Tyler:
[2:02:45] Ledbetter, Yates.
Isabella:
[2:02:47] Ledbetter, Yates, and Manly P. Hall. I listened to a lot of his...
Tyler:
[2:02:51] All of whom were universal Freemasons.
Isabella:
[2:02:55] Yeah, right. Yeah. And that's the thing, that evil forces speak truth sometimes, right? Do you think the Freemasons are the evil group? Well, I believe that Freemasons know how to manipulate its human consciousness and don't always do it for the highest and best.
Isabella:
[2:03:18] So does the Catholic Church, by the way. They're right up there. They are one of the strongest forces of satanic worship on this planet.
Isabella:
[2:03:30] But what I also reckon is that there isn't just one force, one dark force, one evil force. There are lots of evil forces, and they vie for power. They're also lying and cheating and stealing or whatever they're doing to other evil forces in order to gain power and control. I don't fully understand it. It's a much bigger game than I can comprehend. But the point is that there are evil forces that do act upon us individually
Isabella:
[2:04:03] and collectively or through people that can affect us. And so what I do is I've just established a force field of protection. So i'm surrounded by light and i'm protected from all that's not of the highest and purest light.
Isabella:
[2:04:20] And that's basically what i do to so that i'm not attacked because the other thing that happens is people who do speak out like you you've got a platform now and you're speaking out about these things you can come under attack for that because all those forces don't don't want the truth to come out so they will um maybe you know try and attack your your health or your communication systems or your you know your um your reach if even you know your family life whatever there's so many people who are being shadow banned and um what else do they call it like when people get um basically attacked constantly there's a word for that i can't think of it try.
Tyler:
[2:05:07] To cancel you or
Isabella:
[2:05:08] Yeah, counsel you, demonetize you, all those things are happening to silence the truth speakers and the truth tellers.
Tyler:
[2:05:18] Sure. I'm surprisingly not as scared as I probably should be of that kind of stuff. I'm sure that I will be attacked and people will not like what I have to say. Worse than sometimes in these situations, it's not what I think or how I feel about something. It's just the fact that I would talk to someone who has a certain belief. Why would you even entertain that person or give them a platform to speak? And it's like because i want to understand them and i want other people to have the opportunity to understand them like i would gladly talk to adolf fucking hitler on this podcast if i could just just to know what he thinks i'm not saying i agree with anything he believes in if anything i want people to understand how the mind of someone that work like that works so that when they hear them again they don't fall for it yeah and i you know if i'm if someone were to like be grossly offended by me doing that all i can say to them is that you know maybe you need to
Tyler:
[2:06:23] Like listen not necessarily to me but just listen in general more like you're you're only your one point of view can't be all of it and if someone else has a wildly different completely other than your belief system idea not you don't have to believe it at all but if you if you listen to them you will be challenged to work on your own understanding of what reality is you will gradually become hopefully stronger in your belief system if your belief system is true like if you put your your idea of the cosmos up against every other idea of how things work and can honestly without fooling yourself chip away at the bullshit that you believe and reinforce it with more things that help you to see a higher truth you're then you were therefore closer to the truth than you would be if you just i'm just going to default believe what i believed when i was taught when i was a kid never question it and then okay, well, you could still have that belief system, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, then how can you really say that it's true?
Tyler:
[2:07:38] So I guess I would invite scrutiny. I want people to tell me when I'm wrong. I want people to challenge my beliefs and to make me take a second look at something instead of just being like, oh, I think I know everything. Like no one does.
Isabella:
[2:07:51] Yeah, I like that too. Yeah. I think it's such a good way to go through life, not expecting that you know everything and being okay with saying i don't know or i was wrong.
Tyler:
[2:08:01] Yeah right
Isabella:
[2:08:02] What's wrong with that so just learning and growing here.
Tyler:
[2:08:06] Well something as simple as you know i've been taught my whole life that horoscopes are just bullshit and astrology is a pseudoscience because it has no basis in reality and all you have to do is just tell people that a lot and what i realized one day is like i was never really questioning whether it was or wasn't i was just assuming like well it seems to be universally agreed upon that it's a bunch of crock so why even spend my time thinking about it and then you know i'm like i got it in my mind like you know i should just talk to a few of these people and see what i think of what they say and there are definitely a lot of people out there who are like full of shit you know or maybe that maybe they're like they have a piece of the puzzle but they don't even see the the grand scheme that they're a part of you know That's a big part of it too. That's a lot of folks, myself included, where it's, you know, I'm sitting here talking to you today and this might be like a little microcosm of something that my friend Tim is going to email me about when he hears this and say like, did you even think about this scale of it? You know, I'm like, oh my gosh. Wow. And crazy. You know, never thought of that.
Isabella:
[2:09:14] One of the reasons why astrology has been trivialized and undermined and dismissed is because it's probably the most ancient science that there is, and it's probably one of the most powerful sources of information that you can have about yourself and what's going on in the world around you is through astrology. Because everything affects everything. So, of course, we're going to be affected by these massive things like masses of mass stars and planets out there and how they move and how they interact with each other they've all they're all energy they're all conscious beings and they they how they're positioned and what relationship they have with each other affects us individually we're.
Tyler:
[2:10:03] Talking about people being cut off from the earth people are cut off from the sky
Isabella:
[2:10:05] Yeah like you're lucky to see the moon in some places right yeah and then we've got this whole like you're supposed to look to the stars, the celebrities, they're the stars, you know, look to them for information, whereas really it's the actual stars that we need to be looking at for what's happening. And if you study astrology, you can understand what's happening here on the planet, where we're at, like in terms of our evolutionary journey, and also what's happening in terms of the amount of volcanoes or earthquakes that are going on. It's explained through the astrology. And then if you understand your own personal astrology and your birth chart, you can understand what lessons you're learning, what your strengths and weaknesses are, why you're feeling a certain way on a certain day. I love it. I love astrology, and I would thoroughly recommend if you're really seriously about studying about your own personality and your life lessons, then astrology is indispensable.
Tyler:
[2:11:16] Yeah. It's just so interesting because all it took was a few generations. You know, really, at least in America, since the 80s, for them to just dismantle astrology. People just don't take it seriously at all anymore.
Isabella:
[2:11:32] But the evil fuckers are using astrology. They use astrology for all their events because that's how you can get power. You can get personal power, but you also get power for any particular events you want to orchestrate by aligning them with the astrology because there'll be the planetary energies that can give more power to whatever it is that you're creating or doing. You know, just for instance, there's the whole science of the moon. So if you plant on a full moon itself will give the fullness and more illumination to an experience of the new moons when you plant. So the seeds in the dark and, you know, there are all just those basic types of energy experiences that anyone can understand really why you might want to be checking at what's happening uh in the heavens.
Tyler:
[2:12:27] Well the people are so quick to dismiss the idea that you know other planetary bodies or whatever in the in the solar system have any effect on us down here literally moves the ocean the moon and the sun people also don't know that the sun has tides as well like there's a tide towards the sun and then there's a greater tide because it's closer towards the moon and it is when they are aligned on a new moon or during an eclipse that the tide is the highest over that area and lowest on the opposite side of the earth.
Isabella:
[2:13:03] Right. They have power. And here we are, full of water.
Tyler:
[2:13:06] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:13:08] Right? It makes sense, but there's been so much disinformation put out that has to be waded through in order to get to the truth.
Tyler:
[2:13:18] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:13:19] And I follow astrology. I follow lots of different astrologers. There are lots of schools of astrology, and all of them have something to offer. That's my understanding, my actual physical experience that I can certainly turn to the astrology to help me, to guide me, and to give me peace of mind that there is a plan here. There is order, even though there is also chaos.
Isabella:
[2:13:52] But we are moving in an upward trajectory. We've just actually, the Hindus have divided up time in lots of different ways.
Isabella:
[2:14:02] But one of the ways is a 24,000-year cycle called a yuga, Y-U-G-A. And we just finished what's called the Kali Yuga, which was a devolutionary cycle of human consciousness, basically into the darkness there with pretty much everything that we've seen going on. And this guy just published a book. he studied the yugas and i think it was like in march we finished that yuga and now we're starting on an upward cycle of human consciousness path of human consciousness evolution and that's called the dwapara yuga so um you know that by understanding that there are these bigger cycles going on that affect us it for me then i'm not so freaked out about oh my god what the fuck is going on here you know because it looks batshit crazy it looks like we really are in the worst possible situation where it could like blow at any minute if you know yeah who knows what what could happen really but to realize that that this is a part of a process and that the process is clearing out the old ways of being the old systems the old
Isabella:
[2:15:16] like control and fear and control mechanisms and that's where we are now. We're in the dissolution of old systems of control.
Isabella:
[2:15:26] And at some point in time, they are going to be replaced by systems of organization that do support every human being to be fed, housed, and clothed and living a joyful, happy, healthy life. That's how I see it anyway.
Tyler:
[2:15:44] And your point of view that you were describing earlier about, you know, like using like black magic or symbolic magic uh i would just go so far as to just full-blown alchemy to manipulate people like i would encourage people to go like go google something like a hundred most popular brands or something like that in the world and then just look at those brands and look at their logos and their names and notice that they're nearly all something related to like an esoteric either symbol or like myth that you haven't thought about
Isabella:
[2:16:22] So like or a planet even.
Tyler:
[2:16:24] Sure i mean toyota is right taurus right nike is literally the god nike from greek pathology cbs uses a heart which is you know automatically target is the sign the symbol for the sun and hydrogen which is the core element you know the the most basic lightest element in the universe and the one if you will like they're they're using that logo go go look at apple is an apple with a bite taken out of it from the tree of knowledge of good and evil um so many of these things microsoft has the the windows which is really the the cube which is a very significant just in freemasonry alone very significant so right uh the peacock uh that you see on whatever they're called NBC T-Mobile's T uses a it's very specifically like a knight's temple or temple or T symbol that you're seeing there and shell chemical using the sacred seashell there's I could go down this list ad nauseum forever the more universal your symbol is whether people think about it or not they're going to gravitate it towards more because it's familiar to them
Tyler:
[2:17:46] And just like just having like a basic understate you don't have to even dig into uh like secret societies just like learn a tarot deck and this stuff starts to make sense to you it's the the venn diagram the all of this stuff is just ubiquitous throughout everything that we're seeing plastered all around us and we don't even see it's there
Isabella:
[2:18:09] It's so important to start to ask those sort of questions like, what is this? Why is this? Why use those symbols? Why use those numbers? Yeah, and just do a bit of research. But you did say before about the rabbit holes. There are countless numbers of rabbit holes, and I reckon the reason that there are is to keep people going down these rabbit holes. And it can cause a lot of distress too, especially when you start finding out about what's really happening to missing children and what those really black magic rituals really do. So it's important to be aware of that and not get overwhelmed and do take a break because it gets pretty fucking dark. I mean, we can't even comprehend how evil and dark it really gets, so it's important to be mindful of not. What did they say? Whatever you seek will seek you.
Tyler:
[2:19:05] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:19:06] So don't be seeking the dark forces because that's not really a safe thing to do.
Tyler:
[2:19:15] It's amazing how these things just slide right past us in our day-to-day. We don't even realize just the sheer amount of symbolism that we're exposed to that is purposely supplanting ideas in our mind that are, in some cases, is as old as our dna if not older like the the archetypes that are laid out in most mythologies in in your tarot card in the bible all this stuff is part of our makeup as human beings like these stories that we tell and these characters that we encounter throughout our lives and we talk about them in a personified way but even if you don't look at it that way if you just look at it as like Like at some point in your life, you'll meet a wise old woman who will tell you some wise things that will, you know, set you on a new path to your journey. And then eventually you'll, you know, like the hero's journey, Lord of the Rings kind of shit. People don't even realize that it's happening to them as it's happening. I wonder I wonder what how do you separate you know you say don't go looking for the bad things like how do you how do you know what rabbit holes are good for you to go down or how do you know what's pointing yourself to the good look like in your day to day
Isabella:
[2:20:43] Just feeling whatever it is through my intuition, like a gut feeling or, you know, this is something I should listen to, this isn't something, this isn't someone I should be listening to or not now, whatever. So just like a case-by-case situation where I just get a feeling. And sometimes the feeling is to watch it or listen to it, just learn more about it. But making sure that I listen to my intuition or my gut feeling first. In fact, that's really how I primarily operate through life, is really to be listening to guidance from my higher selves, or other beings that I know are on my team, like my husband or my son. I can feel them around me, talking to me. But yeah, just to use my intuition as to whether or not I should... Engage with whatever it is books or speakers or um whatever, the.
Tyler:
[2:21:51] Natural question is you know for someone who's been fooled before like what how were you reasoning when you made the decision to like you know join the group you were in like was that an intuition an intuitive thought or was this more of a trying to make too much sense of something kind of thought like how did you arrive at that
Isabella:
[2:22:10] Well here's another paradox is that i was following my intuition and guidance when i when i uh joined the cult joined the group but i didn't really join a cult so let's just make that i my understanding that i had met my guru and i was becoming a part of his ashram so, When I have received, what I've had to do is trust the guidance that I receive. And even if it has led me to some pretty fucking horrible places, to still trust that that was the guidance that I needed to follow in order for me to get where I needed to go on my soul evolutionary journey. That's something that I'm still coming to terms with. that not all guidance that I have got is, you know, go and frolic around on the grass and make a daisy chain.
Tyler:
[2:23:07] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:23:08] And I fully believe that in order to be handed higher knowledge or given higher knowledge or get downloads for, you know, higher knowledge, I feel personally I have had to prove myself as a solid vessel for receiving higher information. So I've been tested. Sure. As to how I'm going to handle a situation, am I going to keep my faith or am I just going to turn my back on God and get all nasty and mean and turn into a murderer?
Tyler:
[2:23:42] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:23:43] So through the tests, as much as I've got angry and felt that I was a victim and whatever, I've stayed true to the fact that my focus has been on serving God and by following the guidance that I get that I'm doing what I'm meant to be doing in the right place, doing the right thing and being of service.
Isabella:
[2:24:09] So I've just followed my intuition and I still do that. And as I've followed it more and more, then it becomes clearer and I'm more trusting of that. And it's not just to get the guidance, but then you also have to follow it. That's another thing about, you know, even in meditation too, if you're getting information, it's all one thing to say, oh, I heard this and I heard that. But then what did you do with it? Did you just?
Tyler:
[2:24:44] Maybe you going through all of this suffering that you've been through was what you needed in order to arrive at the point where you're at now where you're trying to educate other people about.
Isabella:
[2:24:55] Yeah, for sure. There's a quote that suffering is the crucible for wisdom. And that's my experience. I mean, I've still got a shit ton to learn. And, you know, I'm still looking at life through a pinhole and I have like a human limitation to my understanding of reality. But it's definitely much bigger than it was and it continues to expand.
Tyler:
[2:25:22] What would you say, like, to your younger self, like if you could go back and talk to you, like the day you were about to walk into this Ishram situation for the first time?
Isabella:
[2:25:34] Oh well my my human self would say don't just don't do it don't move there don't go there don't take that step but from a soul perspective it was i just had something that i needed to do i suppose maybe that's me justifying it or whatever i don't know but i know now how i am now and being free of suffering, that whatever I experienced up until just a few years ago, you know, the living hell was all part of the experiences that I needed to have to get free of suffering. And I really am here as a spiritual being. It's a very, it's kind of a solo journey. I feel sometimes very selfish and self-absorbed. And maybe I am, but I'm taking this sojourn here on earth in this body very seriously.
Tyler:
[2:26:32] Sure. How long ago was it when you left?
Isabella:
[2:26:37] 16 years ago.
Tyler:
[2:26:39] Okay. Are you still in contact with anyone from the group?
Isabella:
[2:26:44] No. No. I'm not. And that's, I'm in contact with people who've left the group.
Tyler:
[2:26:49] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:26:50] And there aren't that many who are willing to speak out about it because so many people got really damaged by this guy. One of his things that he did was to convince the men in the cult that they needed to explore their sexuality. And, of course, that was with him, and he convinced many of them that they're gay. And so that ended up being, you know, a lot of relationships got broken up, marriages, there's a lot of heartbreak. All this was happening out of my knowledge and behind my back. So while I was in a celibate marriage, he was fucking around with the guys in the cult, the boys in the cult, as well as on Tinder and Grindr and all that. So it's best that I don't have anything to do with him or any of his cult members anymore just because of any – I just don't want his energy or him to know really about me. I'd rather have that connection be completely clear because he's an extremely evil and demonic force and I don't know what he gets up to in his quiet time but I'm convinced that he has demons within him that run the show.
Tyler:
[2:28:07] So they're still out there, like they're still doing this.
Isabella:
[2:28:10] Oh, yeah, he's still running the cult. He's got the same cult members that he's been running the scam on that pay him 10% of their gross income. That's how he keeps his cult business running. And he's still raping the men and mind-raping the rest of the cult. And I'm, at this point, the main whistleblower, and I'm not going to devote all my time and energy to exposing him, but I am speaking out because cults are so prevalent and people need to understand a bit more about how it's easy to be under mind control because it is so insidious and evil. It's not always obvious.
Tyler:
[2:29:05] Sure. How many people at any given time are we talking about part of this organization?
Isabella:
[2:29:17] I haven't been involved for a while, but there was probably at one point, like he had a couple of cult homes in LA, and then he's also had a cult home in Melbourne and Sydney and Tasmania, maybe about like 50.
Tyler:
[2:29:30] Okay.
Isabella:
[2:29:32] At some point. It's interesting because it's not a very big cult. He's kind of under the wire there, doesn't need a whole lot of numbers, but he's just got enough people that can, you know, fund his promiscuous lifestyle and allow him to have his trips, travel and all that. So he doesn't really need a whole lot of people. He just needs people who are devoted and earning money.
Tyler:
[2:29:55] Gotcha. So at one point in time, you really believed in his message there?
Isabella:
[2:30:04] Yeah i believed he was my guru and that he was going to guide me but did you believe that he.
Tyler:
[2:30:13] Was like the
Isabella:
[2:30:14] The honestly i felt really uncomfortable about that because i was married to him so if he's this guru then it meant that i was something as well like i'm supposed to be the divine mother or some bullshit and that always felt really uncomfortable to me and the other thing was i saw him every day and i remember thinking if he's the second coming we're fucked because he's a piece of shit you know the way he treated people and sure just his the way he lied and um bullshitted and just was so self-obsessed so um i'm i was just to be honest i was batshit crazy through through the all those cult years so there was probably a time where if you'd ask me, did I believe he was the second coming? I probably would have said yes.
Tyler:
[2:30:58] Sure. Um, that's, it's very interesting. Do you believe that there will be a second coming?
Isabella:
[2:31:07] I believe that the second coming is a conscious, it's a consciousness.
Tyler:
[2:31:11] Sure.
Isabella:
[2:31:12] And I, and it's already coming. It's already here. And it's the consciousness, it's Christ consciousness, God consciousness. It's what you have because you can see a higher picture. You can see more of reality. That's what it is. It's just a higher consciousness. And it's not a one person. It's not a, yeah, it's not one person.
Tyler:
[2:31:33] Yeah. I find that interesting. And, you know, I've definitely dug into the Gospels a lot and talked to people about this who are smarter than I am. But, you know, Jesus doesn't ever really say, I, he's not like the Terminator saying, I would be back or whatever. Like, I, Jesus of Nazareth will return. Nor did you know was it very clear when elijah and isaiah were talking about what we now call the time of christ also weren't necessarily saying things that the literal way that people interpret them now so for all of the folks out there who are truly like waiting on a guy on a robe to come down from the sky on a horse with a sword i wonder if they could be convinced to look at what we have now and say as you're saying that it's already here like that's already happening yeah um i
Isabella:
[2:32:25] Think that's part of the psyop is to to make it about one person so people are sort of waiting yeah he's gonna come he'll be here whatever rather than doing something or you know taking full responsibility for oneself if people are realizing that.
Tyler:
[2:32:41] For a person yeah yeah looking
Isabella:
[2:32:45] For a saviour rather than being a saviour or feeling already saved or whatever it is. I don't fully understand. I'm not very good with all that religious stuff, but it's –, Even just the idea of focusing on it's one person who's going to save the world. It means that everybody else is just going to wait for that one person, whereas we can do a lot now. We need to. We need to be doing some active contribution towards a better world, and whether that's just being a kind, helpful human being who's peaceful and, you know, non-combative on a daily basis to doing a podcast and speaking to lots of people and sharing the information out. There are so many ways we can embrace this Christ consciousness and participate in this second coming that we can do every day in some simple ways.
Tyler:
[2:33:54] In your book, you were very clear. You do not think that we live in a computer simulation. Right.
Isabella:
[2:34:01] But you said, yeah. People will say it's a simulation. I've got the Hindus talking about Maya and the illusion and all that. And I get it. We are spiritual beings in a human body having a spiritual experience. And yes, this may not be real, but it's as real as it fucking gets right now for me.
Isabella:
[2:34:20] And I feel like if we talk about it or reality being a simulation, it's another way of just like that whole second coming thing where people can um like not be responsible for what's happening oh it's only a simulation or it doesn't really matter or whatever i can't really affect it because it's all in the loop yeah i i think it's better that we're right here right now fully embodied you know having this like fully divine human experience, and that's the that's what is right now that's the that's all we've got that's our that's our reality.
Tyler:
[2:34:57] It's, it's very, it's very tempting to say, you know, we wouldn't know if we were like, and all of it's tempting to say that we wouldn't know if we were in a simulation, like it would be that good. Right like so if it's if we can accept without material evidence right that the world we live in is somewhat of a i wouldn't even say an illusion just like a limited view point of whatever is going on in the greater reality and that there are higher and lower dimensions and there are things acting on us that we don't understand um and we give those things names we personify them we call them angels and spirits and you know all that stuff but i mean if you were a character in a video game and i programmed you to think that to be true and i made things within the video game that caused that to be self-evident and just never let you know that you're in a game you wouldn't know and that's that's one of the interesting things about creating simulations
Tyler:
[2:36:00] Is you know in a way and i'm not calling myself any kind of creator or god or whatever i'm just saying that you are creating like a tiny little universe where in which you decide the parameters of what the laws of physics are um and all of it's just you know we in a lot of spiritual teachings they talk about like consciousness is not localized right it's all around us and it's somewhere else at the same time in a game the consciousness of the player is in your head your remote doing that from somewhere else. This is an avatar on the screen for you. Or of the non-playable characters in the game or really everything else, every other system that controls what goes on in the game. Their consciousness is localized in a computer chip where it's not even really localized. It's just a bunch of code flying through making calculations around them. And occasionally you get, what's interesting is like glitches. You get things that happen that aren't supposed to happen either from some mistake or some hardware issue.
Tyler:
[2:37:02] And there are people who talk about like glitches in the matrix as we see them here. You know, there's like the, if you want to go crazy, like the Mandela effect and just things that don't seem to make sense or add up i've gotten to the point where i wonder did the expanse of the universe exist before we were able to get to the point where we could observe that it is expansive right so like you think about people growing up at a time when it was like the earth was the center of the universe and then there was the sun and the moon and the stars and that was that you know and then was that all there all along or did consciousness grow as we grew the ability to expand our consciousness. Did the moons around Jupiter exist before Galileo put his telescope up and looked at them? And when we talk about things like quantum mechanics, it's enough to drive someone crazy just to think about that. Did you exist today before I spoke to you? I don't know. I'll never be able to prove it. It could be that the designer of my game added a DLC in today that was, talk to Isabella Young, and then that was just my new reality. I would never even know that it was inserted there. And neither would the player in the game.
Isabella:
[2:38:18] It's wild to think about. I know. What do you think? What's your take on this reality?
Tyler:
[2:38:26] I'm inclined to believe that physics is way more complicated than we have the arrogance to say that we know, right? So I'm really, really inclined to think that time we experience in a linear fashion, but in the grand scheme of things, if you were existing outside of time, you know, if you were a five-dimensional being instead of a three-dimensional or four-dimensional being, that it would just look like a static image to you. Um so it makes sense to me philosophically at least that we live in a much bigger broader
Tyler:
[2:39:10] Thing than what you or i could could say exists within these three rooms so when someone says like this desk is real but science and religion both agree that this desk isn't real like this desk is my understanding of whatever this really is like psychology has come a long way in terms of just saying like i experience a solid wooden object that i understand only because i have words to describe solid wooden an object and have some idea of what that means to me in my head and when i feel it when i touch it i have expectations that i'm mapping on to it right but you know in And in just four dimensions, this desk is existing, it doesn't exist, and it's in many different places, all at the same time. Right? So it's everywhere that it's ever been, from its motion around the Earth, from its motion around this room, to the Earth's rotation around the sun, to the sun's rotation around the galaxy, to the galaxy's rotation around whatever's at the center of this universe. All of that, all at the same time, is this desk. from when it was stardust to whatever it will be at the end, if there even is an end.
Tyler:
[2:40:21] But for me, my limited perception is that it's a desk. And that applies to every particle in the desk. So it doesn't make sense, just with that little bit of information, to conclude that there's nothing. There's nothing greater than us. There's nothing lesser than us. Star Trek had this amazing episode where they run into a group of two-dimensional beings. And it's like, they're not even aware that we as a three-dimensional being exist. They're just moving in a linear fashion through space.
Isabella:
[2:40:57] They were just cardboard cutouts?
Tyler:
[2:40:59] I mean, they weren't even people. They were imperceptible. Like, they're just a stream on a two-dimensional plane in the greater plane of space.
Isabella:
[2:41:07] Oh, wow.
Tyler:
[2:41:08] Going from point A to point B. And they're conscious within the realm that they could be conscious, but we're not aware of them and they're not aware of us. But things that the ship was doing with its sensors were affecting their ability to cross a certain threshold to go where they're going.
Isabella:
[2:41:24] Oh, right.
Tyler:
[2:41:25] And... I don't know if that's really a thing that happens, but it's a great thought exercise to like, okay, so what is a being that's one dimension above us perceive us like and above that? And it just physics alone is suggesting as much as 10, 11, maybe more dimensions where we only even think about four, much less experience time. Um, I guess that was the answer to your question is I have a lot more questions than I thought I had when I first started diving into this stuff. Certainty only comes with like overlap, I guess. The more different things that you take in where the, where the lines intersect is where I like try to investigate.
Isabella:
[2:42:13] Like that.
Tyler:
[2:42:17] What uh what advice do you have for people out there who are whether they're in a cult or an abusive relationship or just living alive based on the society's parameters for them like what would you say to them is the first step to get to to even notice what they're what they're dealing
Isabella:
[2:42:38] With the first step is to uh ask like what the heck is going on here and then be really courageous to answer that so if you start to question what about someone you're in a relationship with whether they're being truthful or controlling or whatever you know just to really be really honest and look for the the answers about a group what is it about this group what you know why are they doing what they're doing why why do i have to do this you know be questioning what what's really going on and the same with the government situation just to ask questions not believe everything that you're told and then have the courage to find the answers whether that's you know research or through intuition or meditation or whatever and then make an assessment after you've got more information about what you should do because for some people it isn't reasonable to get out and start again so then you have to learn how to protect yourself or um yeah not not be manipulated but for some situations then you you do have to get out and get free and clear in order to, uh heal and uh.
Isabella:
[2:43:52] Yeah that to get out them but my main advice for everyone is always the same and that's just it because it all those situations that you're describing like for most people we're actually in trauma most of the time even if we're not in combat like you've obviously been seriously traumatized by your experiences so that you know this living day-to-day can be traumatic especially taking in information you were saying before about how we're not meant to know have all this information we're not we're not meant to know all the terrors and horrors and awful things that are going on in the world it's extremely traumatic for us so the the best way is to minimize that.
Isabella:
[2:44:29] So you know don't be taking all that information in and then go outside and be in nature be still be relaxed create a space that you can go to and and just be there away from all this fucking chaotic you know bullshit and so create some space for yourself away from the trauma where you can start to to relax and to think clearly and to come back to a like a peaceful balanced state because without that then you're really just continuing to like step on rakes and trip over you know you yourself you're going to create a space to to separate yourself from the trauma before you can start to heal anyway that's what worked for me just spending a lot of time uh doing things outside going on walks walking the dog do gardening growing food um.
Isabella:
[2:45:28] Whatever you know whatever it is walking on the beach or going to a park, picking up trash just all being human sure doing human stuff dancing singing playing being with other people cooking uh creating art playing music listening to music just be doing whatever it is that's as human as possible as much as possible and i think that's the best place to to start to then heal.
Tyler:
[2:46:00] I think I'm going to go play in my garden for a few hours after this.
Isabella:
[2:46:03] Yeah, I heard you got some onions growing there?
Tyler:
[2:46:06] Oh, no, not this season. I have tomatoes. I have herbs, like all kinds of herbs. A few different pepper plants. No, my cabbage died. So romaine lettuce. I think we have a cantaloupe just as an experiment just to see what happens. Lots of I picked a bunch of cucumbers yesterday so that's we're gonna be making pickles
Isabella:
[2:46:32] So good yeah I just made some actually some refrigerator pickles they're so good because food we can grow food that's specifically medicine for us there's a series of books called the ringing cedars, which bring forth teachers from this a Russian woman who lived in the tiger there she was just, she was a witch, let's face it. She knew a lot of stuff about a lot of plants and animals, talk to animals, talk to plants. And she's given this method of planting seeds where you put them under your tongue for a certain amount of time and then when the moon is in a certain phase, plant the seeds and that plant will grow with the information that will specifically optimize your health. And I believe that actually that I can communicate that information to the plants anyway, and that's why I grow sprouts and make my own kombucha and all that so that I'm communicating to these plants by watering them and talking to them,
Isabella:
[2:47:38] and they'll provide me with the medicine that I need.
Tyler:
[2:47:42] Yeah well i think that's a wonderful thing for everyone to do like even if you take nothing else from this conversation grow something like go get some seeds grow something and if even if it's in your flat like next to a vent in your shower or whatever just observe a plant go from a seed to a something you can eat and then insert that new knowledge that you gain from that into other the things that you do in your life and then maybe one day you'll get to the point where it's like a little person you do the same stuff and it's just mind-blowing to see that process it's so it is um thank you so much for for being brave to open up about a lot of this stuff i know it's got to have been really really difficult for you um where can people get a hold of you I
Isabella:
[2:48:35] Have a website, feelingbetternaturally.love, and a YouTube channel, feelingbetternaturally, and a sub stack, feelingbetternaturally. And my books are on Amazon. The one that I just released is called New Human of New Earth. And my name's Isabella Young, so you can find that on Amazon. And I thoroughly recommend that. It's a massively long book. It's 825 pages, which is ridiculous. But it's got so much information about the technologies that we have in our body and many of the technologies that are in nature and also in our spiritual nature that can help us live a pain-free, joyful life.
Tyler:
[2:49:24] I'll make sure that all your links and your books, the Amazon pages and everything are in the article with the episode for people who want to check it out.
Isabella:
[2:49:33] Thank you. And thank you for giving me this opportunity to be a guest on your podcast, Tyler. And I specifically thank you for your questions and the wealth of experience that you bring to these conversations. Because what I particularly like about you've had this wealth of experience and then you've had your expansion of consciousness into the whole new perspective of reality. And so you can bring that information with you and that's very enriching for me because I've learned a lot from you today and also for your listeners and then for you as a partner and a parent.
Isabella:
[2:50:10] So good job on being a good human being, making the world a better place. Thank you so much.
Tyler:
[2:50:16] I appreciate you. And the feeling is mutual. So whenever you have a new book or anything at all you want to talk about, just shoot me an email. We'll make it happen again.
Isabella:
[2:50:24] Okay. Thank you. And thanks to everybody for listening. I hope that the information has been beneficial.
Tyler:
[2:50:38] So thank you for listening to this wonderful episode of in the key podcast i've been your host the mother load tyler brandon the guy with the microphone who says stuff after these really long interviews to you directly thank you for listening um thank you to everyone who supports us um there's all kinds of ways to do so on our website in the cube.com um make make sure you're actually checking out the episode notes uh a lot of the times when i'm putting the links to all these books together and everything so that there's anything you want to check out or look for the author or you just want to read the transcript or skim through the chapters you know it's all there in the app it's also on our website so yeah this was a mind trip this episode can you imagine the circumstances like can you imagine if that was your life what would you do what would you think how would you make sense of stuff i thought isabella was very brave to uh you know just be as raw and honest as she was so yeah if you like this one make sure you're telling friends i love you god love you till next time stay in the keep
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