Author Paul Vecchiet discusses his book The Disclosure Paradox exploring extraterrestrial life, UFO transparency, and its implications based on his own real life experience while serving in the US Air Force. The Disclosure Paradox Book 2 - Salvation is available 16 Sep 2025.
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Chapters
00:00 Start
5:52 The Connection Between ETs and Spirituality
15:42 Experiences at Wright-Patterson
21:51 Secrets at Foreign Technology Division
29:32 The Role of Meditation
41:34 Spiritual Corruption and Technology
49:05 The Evolution of Knowledge
1:03:37 The Shroud of Turin and Its Significance
1:16:53 The Challenge with Atheists
1:32:43 The Role of Humanity in Spiritual Evolution
1:39:06 The Balance of Emotion and Logic
Transcript
Music:
[0:00] Music
Paul:
[0:32] Autobiography um because it is based on the main characters based on myself all of my uh all the things that that put me in the place where i am right now starting with um how i was brought up in a catholic family and how i had um critical thinking when i was very young all the way to having experiences in the Air Force and then meditative experiences, outer body experiences after that.
Paul:
[1:12] And that all kind of leads up to, including individuals who I have characterized in the book as fictional, but are based on real people. So all the characters are based on real people.
Paul:
[1:24] Most of the events that happen to the main character are based on real events the places are real but what happens in some of the places like at dulce at edwards air force base area 51 shasta uh that didn't happen that has been added to to move the plot along and and to kind of uh put everything uh together in in one nice plot.
Paul:
[1:55] So the disclosure paradox, it's called the disclosure paradox because the idea of disclosure, which is the pressure of the public to get the government and other organizations to divulge information about extraterrestrials and UFOs.
Paul:
[2:21] Is not really in our best interest. And the reason is, the paradox is that disclosure would result in, I guess, consequences that were not intended, unintended consequences.
Tyler:
[2:42] Right.
Paul:
[2:44] And that is because we are under what's called a technological and social quarantine from the rest of the universal community. It all started out when we exploded the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it was like a fire alarm throughout the universe because for two reasons. And one, they recognized that we were like children playing with matches where we were not spiritually evolved or didn't have the psychological and the ethical tools to handle that kind of responsibility.
Tyler:
[3:28] Sure.
Paul:
[3:28] And the other thing was that they knew that our scientists did not realize that that immense amount of energy expended in that amount of time affected other dimensions besides ourselves. So what happened was that it was obviously an alarm throughout the universe. They had to find out what was going on. And that's where we had a spike in visitation, in contact, in discoveries and sightings. And to this day, they still are quite, I guess, concerned about our nuclear capabilities. So many of the sightings are near places that we store nuclear weapons or that they are based or where we are doing research with, you know, nuclear weapons and technology.
Tyler:
[4:31] Sure.
Paul:
[4:32] So the disclosure paradox is a story that links the extraterrestrial phenomenon to our spirituality. It tells the reader why we are here, what happens to us when we pass on, and what we are to do to improve our spirituality, and why it is that we are not welcome in the universal community.
Tyler:
[5:09] You said you grew up Catholic, right? Yes. Are you still a Catholic?
Paul:
[5:15] No, I'm not a practicing Catholic. There are certain aspects about Catholicism that I believe in, and that is about the shroud of Turin and Jesus. But no, I'm not a practicing Catholic. There are many philosophies that they have that I don't align with.
Tyler:
[5:40] Yeah, that seems to be the case with a lot of people where it's like, I don't think that the body of the church necessarily represents what Jesus
Tyler:
[5:50] was all about necessarily or something along those lines. Yeah i get it um it's also interesting just the the theme in general right now it seems that
Tyler:
[6:00] People um are more and more talking in conversations along the lines of the et thing and the angels and demons thing might be connected um
Tyler:
[6:13] Which has been like kind of i feel like if you talk to an occultist they could have told you this 100 years ago right or emmanuel swedenberg could have explained this to you but we're for whatever reason we're having to have this conversation again because we've had you know a hundred plus years of just materialism in our thought um but it yeah i think that's the trend and that's probably closer to the right answer i think that uh in general we need to we need to do exactly what every movie tells us to do set all our differences aside come together we need every country to put up their best psychics and their best uh like physicists their best occult knowledge people their best mythologians best architects archaeologists everybody needs to be in a group together talking all the leaders from every religious group is like what do we have in common let's we need to figure this out because yeah it's it's pretty clear that we're dealing with some sort of we're we're dealing with a phenomenon no matter what like at this point i think it's not even arguable that there is a phenomena that tons and tons of people have seen and taken videos of and you know given their testimonials about throughout all of time and it's just right now people are kind of waking up to that right yeah um so yeah
Tyler:
[7:32] If I read correctly, you were in the Army Corps of Engineers,
Tyler:
[7:35] but you said Air Force earlier. Was it both?
Paul:
[7:38] I was in the Air Force.
Tyler:
[7:39] Yeah. Okay, yeah. What did you do in the Air Force? When did you join?
Paul:
[7:45] I graduated with a degree in architecture, and in 82, I joined the Air Force because, graduates in architecture in Chicago, and we're talking all architects, not just people that were out of school. Sure um we had a 27 unemployment rate and at the same time the government was giving out twelve thousand dollars signing bonuses so there are three of us that uh signed up with the military two of us went to the air force one went to the navy and uh so i i became a manager right away because i was an officer sure.
Tyler:
[8:25] You were second lieutenant right out of college basically
Paul:
[8:28] Out of us to train school. You know, when you're an architect, you're really part of civil engineering and civil engineering is a broader part of, of that mission, mostly having to do with the airfield and its facilities and just, you know, supporting the flying mission. So there's a significant impact. war, uh, role that, that, uh, I would play. But, uh, during peacetime I did programming, construction management, uh, planning, and of course, architectural design.
Tyler:
[9:12] Sure. How long did you stay in the air force?
Paul:
[9:16] 13 years.
Tyler:
[9:17] 13. When I get out at 13, you were like a, what, major by that point?
Paul:
[9:22] Lieutenant Colonel? I would have been a major, but, uh, it was right after the Gulf War. Okay. I was on a base that had fighter pilots from the Gulf War. So I was competing with them for being recommended for major by the general on the base. And the other thing was that the Clinton administration did an executive order, that pared down the forces since we were in peacetime, actually, after that. And so it made it very difficult for captains like myself to be selected as majors. It was a 56% selection rate at that time. Right now, it's almost automatic. So it's quite a difference. The timing was just bad.
Tyler:
[10:20] Sure. Yeah, no, I mean, like, at this point, yeah, Major is the senior airman of the officer corps. It's like, you just kind of get that. Then, you know, after that, everybody's just kind of, like, biding time, you know, doing squadron management until it's like, all right, well, I finally get to put on my full bird. And then that never happens. But, no, it's interesting. Yeah, I was a staff sergeant in the Air Force. I was a weather forecaster down in Tucson.
Paul:
[10:50] Tucson, okay.
Tyler:
[10:51] Yeah, so we had like the hub where it was the 25th Operational Weather Squadron covered like western CONUS all the way to South America. Like, so it was a pretty big M.O.R. And like for weather people, that's like the most rough terrain in the world other than, you know, Afghanistan. Maybe, you know, or if we were going to fight a war in Nepal, it would be pretty hard. But yeah, if you got you got mountains to play with. Yeah, it was all kinds of fun weather stuff.
Paul:
[11:19] Oh, yeah.
Tyler:
[11:19] Yeah, that was four years of my life. And then I had done six total, but I spent the first two years just in tech school. I went to DLI and then I went to weather. So between both of those courses, I certified two years into my enlistment.
Paul:
[11:38] So you made staff sergeant in six years?
Tyler:
[11:40] Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Staff sergeant is pretty easy to make, too. Especially right now, so many people get out after their first contract. You know? Yeah. So, like, I mean, they give senior airmen away. It's not like E4 and any other branch of the military would be like, you know, you're an NCO. Like, for real. Senior airmen never, they're never NCOs unless they somehow go to ALS and then don't so on for, like, a really long time. Which practically never happens. but yeah um i made it you know my fifth year so i just had like one year of having troops and stuff before i transitioned out of the military but yeah yeah it's cool stuff it's pretty but like so like civil engineering i know that your primary mission is the is the airfield itself but do you do you end up like designing stuff for the base like if they want to build a I don't know community center or something okay yeah
Paul:
[12:34] It all depends what you know wherever you are, like base level you know we did renovations or we did plans for renovations the larger projects were given to the architectural engineering firms and I was reviewing their work.
Tyler:
[12:52] So what military base has the best hotel best what hotel hotel yeah yeah
Paul:
[13:04] I probably got from what i saw and you know i i don't i'm not familiar with all of them but i i think travis is pretty good.
Tyler:
[13:13] Yeah travis yeah oh my goodness i used to drive out there to like deliver documents and stuff it is a that is a beautiful base just the location is wild you know in the middle of nowhere it's cornfields in every direction from the base too but it's pretty and you can see for miles out there if you're trying to take a look at a weather observation you know you could you could feasibly put like your visibility is unlimited and you could put a you know 77 miles to the mountain visibility on there you know pretty cool stuff um i gotta say ramstein has a really bougie uh hotel yeah it i was surprised like compared to like Davis-Monthan or something like that, maybe San Antonio probably has really, I've never stayed there. But, you know, they put families up all the time for graduation, so I bet.
Paul:
[14:08] I know. When I was leaving Wright-Patterson, they were doing one over there that was a lend-lease kind of project where, you know, they actually had a contractor build it and then they would lease it from them. So I'm pretty sure that the quality of that job was good.
Tyler:
[14:23] Yeah. Yeah. Did you go to Montgomery for officer training school?
Paul:
[14:30] No, I was at Lackland.
Tyler:
[14:32] Really? Okay, so they do officer—at Lackland, Air Force Base, really. Yeah. I think now everybody goes to Montgomery, I think.
Paul:
[14:42] Well, I was at Montgomery for Squire and Officer School.
Tyler:
[14:45] Okay, okay.
Paul:
[14:47] That was different. That was when you're a captain and you go in to get your continuing education credits, right?
Tyler:
[14:58] No yeah that's that's where i went to mepset because i was uh i'm from mobile originally so everybody in alabama just goes to montgomery for meps and to ship off so yeah it's a it's a it's an area where it's so strange that so many people in the air force get exposed to that especially like right off the bat you know you're going to officer training school or something like that you're learning how to be proper and eat eat your dinner with the right forks and stuff And then you're in the middle of just bumfuck Egypt, Alabama. Montgomery is more ghetto than Mobile and Birmingham. And it's still the capital. It's crazy. There's still big billboards for gun stores and stuff.
Tyler:
[15:39] And I just imagine some kid from Cincinnati shows up there. Um uh yeah so how did that time you know translate into you learning about ets and and all the stuff that you're writing about in the book
Paul:
[15:56] When i was at wright patterson and wright patterson is the cradle for um air force research and development um i was uh, assigned to Aeronautical Systems Division which is the R&D part of the Air Force you know we had as many as 40, 40 offices for weapons systems over there a lot of people we had.
Paul:
[16:27] 1.75 million square feet of laboratory and office space there but my project, one of the projects that I was given was at Foreign Technology Division which is the organization that's responsible for, evaluating weapon systems from foreign countries looking at their strengths, their weaknesses looking at opportunities of how we can take care of the weaknesses and then, they would make reports of all these weapon systems individually and send them over across the base where they, the engineers and scientists would take the reports and come up with concepts for new weapon systems or for improving existing weapon systems. So this place, Foreign Technology Division, was a very sensitive facility. It was in a warehouse, a renovated warehouse, about 250 by 250 feet square. Once you got there, you saw motion detectors on the lawn. And even if you had a top-secret clearance, you've got to be escorted around.
Paul:
[17:45] So once you get through double doors, I noticed that the doors had no numbers. There were no names on the doors. There was no directory to get you around. And my escort told me that whoever was in one office did not know what was going on in the next office. As a result of compartmentation and need-to-know policy. So that was their OPSEC over there, Operation Security. My project was on the second floor. They got the second floor for a new computer system. And at that time in the late 80s, mid to late 80s, computers were huge. So they needed a lot of space for cooling and for these computers. I didn't know what the computers were used for but my job was to go there, evaluate the space and make sure that the contractor had no opportunity for claims against the government for changes in the site conditions or things that were there that were not in the drawings Were.
Tyler:
[18:58] You guys on the ARPANET by that point?
Paul:
[19:00] Or Arpanet?
Tyler:
[19:05] Arpanet. Was that the so the DOD at that time frame was using like a form of the internet but like the internet didn't exist to the public yet you know.
Paul:
[19:14] Oh yeah.
Tyler:
[19:15] Interesting. Yeah. I wonder at what point it did come on because I know that like the Soviet Union were trying to get access to it in the mid 80s like while Reagan was still the president. Okay. Interesting. Okay. I'm sorry. Just a Odd question.
Paul:
[19:32] So, I need to look at the as-built drawings. The as-built drawings were the drawings that indicate the condition of the facility prior to construction. So, Going through the drawings, I see a sheet that's labeled basement. Now, this is for a renovated warehouse. Normally, warehouses don't have basement. It's not economical. You just build more space. If you want more space, you don't make a basement and a warehouse. I thought that was pretty interesting. I'm going through the drawings again. I realized that there's a sheet that's a detailed floor plan. And it's labeled cryogenic chamber. And it shows cryogenic chamber measuring 70 by 90 feet. And I thought that that is profound, especially in this kind of facility. And the immense size of that cryogenic chamber had to be for very large specimens, not for dishes.
Tyler:
[20:39] Yeah, that's not a person in a, you know, it's not just like a few people. Or are they crammed in there like sardines or something? They're just bodies on bodies.
Paul:
[20:48] Yeah, there's something there.
Tyler:
[20:49] Sure.
Paul:
[20:50] So interestingly enough, I kind of filed it in the back of my mind. I didn't feel any stress about keeping this secret. And I did keep it for about five years after I left the service. Interesting thing, just yesterday, I had a discussion with a former OSI agent. Who was assigned at foreign technology division. And he was in a meeting with CIA, NSA, and some other guys. Oh, the Defense Intelligence Agency. And during this meeting, he was joking around about extraterrestrials and stuff like that. The CIA guy went to him, took him over to the corner, and told him, we don't talk about this stuff here. And you know The guy was telling him he was just joking He says we don't joke about that here So obviously something was going on over there And.
Paul:
[21:52] It's also been I guess validated In Phil Corso's book The Day After Roswell Where he writes that they Ship the cadavers from the crash At Roswell to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base So that all made sense so that was one, small part of getting me to this path after that I had reason to be skeptical about things that were happening, more inquisitive about things instead of just now saying it's a hoax and, it wasn't what led me to write the book other things happened much later.
Tyler:
[22:40] Hmm. Okay. So then you're, you're just kind of living with that knowledge. I'm assuming you haven't talked to anybody about it for a really long time. You didn't even go to like mental health and talk about this at that time. So chaplain.
Paul:
[22:54] No, it didn't faze me. Something about myself or my spirit just filed it in the back of my mind, almost in the subconsciousness.
Paul:
[23:10] There was one event that caused me to remember it. And after that event, that's when I started to be proactive and being almost like an amateur researcher. so what happened was yeah.
Tyler:
[23:24] Were you doing like hypnosis therapy or something or
Paul:
[23:27] Emdr in 2009 i was um just going through channels channel surfing at home and i came upon ancient aliens and it was eric vandonekin talking about the book of ezekiel and how the book of ezekiel um is a misinterpretation yeah yeah yeah so.
Paul:
[23:57] The it was profound because i recalled uh when i was in high school that i was listening to a rock station and fell asleep and then woke up to an interview with ervan donkin talking about the very same thing the book of Ezekiel and the, How it was, you know, really a form of contact and documented contact and documentation of going into the craft and all the things were just terribly misinterpreted, but it was high technology. And the next day I went into the library, got the Bible out and looked it up. And sure enough, it was just like what Eric mentioned. And so when I was watching Ancient Aliens, that memory came to me at the same time, the memory from Ry Patterson came to me and I put the two together. And that's when I realized that I needed to be more proactive about doing things. And I really started to get involved in research and meeting people. And at that time, social media was just starting up.
Paul:
[25:10] And that's what led me to the point where I got to the point where I was going to write the book. So what happened was I would be interested not only in ETs and UFOs, but I'd be interested in alternative energies and stories about patents that were taken from, uh from inventors by the department of energy in the name of you know uh national security, and even like some some inventors being killed because they wouldn't sell their patents to, you know the department of energy things like that and that's in a book by uh gary vesterman who is a researcher, and he came up with a book about 121 pages.
Paul:
[26:10] Detailed the patents the the names of the um inventors uh the number of patents that were taken and also like there's some inventors that were actually put in jail so i i got involved with people that were you know explaining that to me and other conspiracies like you know the big pharma or how the corporations use our colleges for their research and development for their private research and development, things like that.
Paul:
[26:48] And what happened was that those same people also would be involved in being interested about UFOs and ETs. And those people are the ones that I later characterized in my book, but what I started to do was to put together a blog.
Paul:
[27:17] What I also learned about these people is that some would say that they were, They saw Kraft or they had contact or they were abducted and some said that they had implants. And they would just, you know, talk to me openly about it, but then they would be making sure that I wouldn't say anything to other people because they were being targeted by their families as being crazy or they were being ostracized by their friends. So they're very secretive about it. So what I did is I developed a Facebook page called Spirits and Healing. And we had as many as 300 people that all joined and they would share their experiences, compare their experiences. They became more open they made friendships, and that was part of the I guess the information that I put in the blog which I called the red pill, and the other thing is that I learned that some of these people would say that after abduction or after contact that they got.
Paul:
[28:30] Some psychic abilities sure and these psychic people would tell me that i had a role to play they didn't tell me what the role was but they told me that i role play and then another woman um who turned out to be my, my uh i guess mentor spiritual mentor um she would actually go into a trance and act as a medium, where another race, which called themselves the Watchers, would contact me through her. And they were the ones that told me also that I had a role to play. And they told me that I was a counselor and informer and told me to start to learn about meditation like everyone else. These spiritual people, these psychic people would also tell me about meditation. So I start to do that. And then once I started to meditate, that's when the
Paul:
[29:30] outer body experiences happened to me. And that's when I decided I needed to write the book.
Tyler:
[29:37] It's very interesting when you talk about meditation from that perspective. Anybody who ever actually, like, if you take the time to go to a Buddhist temple and talk to the monks about what it's like to be a Buddhist, one of the first things that they're going to tell you is like, um, Don't get mad at me in like a year when you start to experience things and you have questions and I tell you it's okay because people don't know what they're signing up for necessarily. But yeah, even rudimentary forms of just basic meditation wildly expand your consciousness. Just, you know, when you're able to have your brain dedicated to any one thing at all. It's the same thing like when an athlete is in like flow state you know a basketball player it's just you know looks like he's moving through like slow motion camera in a movie while everyone else is frantic but yeah it happens so how long like how long of practice and meditation did it take before you started to experience this stuff I
Paul:
[30:46] Started meditating in 2009 my first experience was in 2012 and it was going through a wormhole. What happened was that my spiritual mentor, the watchers told me through my spiritual mentor that they were going to test me in meditation. And not long after that, I had that wormhole experience, which is, if you saw the film Contact with Jodie Foster, it was just like that. There was motion, There was color, vibration, all kinds of stuff like that. It was amazing. And once I realized what was happening, I was back in my body. Two years after that was the most profound meditation out-of-body experience. And that was where I saw an indigo cloud in front of me. And not only did I see the cloud, but I felt a euphoria. The kind of feeling that people say that they have when they are near death and they're going towards the light.
Paul:
[31:58] And so I had that. And as I got closer to the cloud and I focused on it, it dissipated and the euphoria got stronger. And all around me, along the horizon, were flashes of indigo in a cluster, like a beehive cluster. And the message that I was getting was that these flashes were our spirits between lives that were either downloading their past life into this massive cluster or uploading their next life based on what they downloaded from their past life. And then they told me that this massive cluster of all these energies, these individual energies combined to make what we call the source energy or God. When that happened, I was, again, back in my body.
Tyler:
[32:58] Yeah. So, I mean, it sounds like an astral travel kind of thing when people describe that. did you Did you know immediately that this experience was real, or did you wrestle with it being like, well, maybe I just had a wild hallucination? Were you taking drugs? There's all kinds of questions that need to be asked.
Paul:
[33:26] No. First of all, no, I didn't take any drugs for either one of those. During the wormhole experience, I did use anise stars because anise stars help activate the third eye better. So I did use them prior to, you know, I just used them as incense, right?
Tyler:
[33:52] Right.
Paul:
[33:53] And, um, but the, the second one, I, I was just, um, in my chair and, and sitting down and, and just hoping to have a, just a quiet meditation and, and that had popped up in front of me. And I knew that, um, it was very profound.
Tyler:
[34:12] Who are the, I felt that euphoria. Who are the, like, who are these watchers? What do they look like? What do they sound like? Tell me about them. I don't know who
Paul:
[34:20] They sound like. They just communicate through that woman. And they have not communicated to me since I wrote the book. So it's almost like, okay, you did the book. Now we don't need to talk to you anymore. But she tells me that they have an outpost on the moon. And that they are essentially monitoring the spiritual nature of humanity.
Tyler:
[35:00] Okay, so the moon. This is my favorite thing to talk about recently. I don't know why. We're talking about the moon like no time before lately, it seems. It's under review. So I was at Ingo Swann in Penetration talked about remote viewing this space on the moon in the 70s, right? And of course, it's a remote view. Nobody knows what's really up there, all that thing. Of course, by this time, they had sent, allegedly, a few people up there and some rovers and whatnot. Now, I think it was really recently, I have to look up his name, but Lieutenant General that's in charge of that space company. Kwasa? No, no, no. I'll get this in just a second. I'll feel bad if I don't actually say his name now.
Paul:
[35:57] Okay.
Tyler:
[35:58] Oh, my goodness. Steve Quest, who was a former U.S. Air Force lieutenant general. Now he's space built. He owns space built. He literally said publicly recently that the Chinese are already mining Oxygen 3 on the back of the moon. This is what he says.
Paul:
[36:19] Mining Oxygen?
Tyler:
[36:21] O3. No, is it Oxygen? What is it they're mining up there? I think it's O3. Something weird okay point is that he's he's saying it's the chinese and he's saying that the this is the reason behind the space force like we've known about this for a really long time and nobody wanted to do anything about it this is his story right i don't know what's true or what's not but regardless a lot of people are talking about what the fuck is on the what's up with this moon thing why why are we why don't we ever see any live video of a satellite going around the moon why is that so hard you know why can't we just watch the iss 24 7 live stream like everything else we do on earth uh why can't they just have a iss twitch channel and a youtube channel and a free a roku tv channel for all i care it could be on 24 7 we could know what they're doing up there but that's not the case um and why why are we not allowed no so
Tyler:
[37:23] Um, Ingo also didn't identify these people as Chinese. He just said that they were people. And he said that he said in his remote viewing session that they were naked walking around, you know, all these, you know, basically mine shafts and buildings and equipment and lights, like lots of big, tall floodlights around the areas where they were at. Um, then you have this history of people, you know, looking through telescopes and just reporting weird shit they see moving on the moon. What's that? but it's been kind of i don't know i mean i'm a meteorologist at best you know at best so i don't know a whole lot about the dynamics of solar bodies and moons and planets all that stuff but
Tyler:
[38:08] There's a lot of weird things about the moon it's resonant you know so it seems to be i'm not saying it's hollow but what i'm saying is that it's if there if someone were mining it out right that might explain why it has this resonance to some degree um it's humongous for a moon people that are even at this point arguing about how old it even is because i read an article recently that said it was 11 600 and some odd years old that before that there was no moon and you know and then they're like trying to cross-reference that with mythology like where Where does it even talk about the moon in a lot of older myths? So I don't know. I don't even know what to believe. You tell me what to believe about the moon.
Paul:
[38:56] All I know is what I mentioned. Sure. But I'm pretty skeptical about why we didn't go back. I think that Armstrong and Aldrin they saw something and they were advised not to say anything, and those people that go to their face and tell them that the whole thing was a hoax and you know Aldrin punched the guy in the face for that, obviously there's some emotion there where.
Tyler:
[39:29] Yeah the two of them handled it differently I'd say but yeah lots of apprehension around that topic yeah I think I definitely think they were on a mission I think they did some stuff but it's just so odd that we went to the moon and then we just didn't go back after that it was like someone gave us the yeah please get the hell off my property exactly yeah don't come back and then probably a lot of negotiating about what we could do
Paul:
[40:01] We don't want your type.
Tyler:
[40:03] Yeah you think we're not good enough yet
Paul:
[40:06] Well, that's the whole premise in my book. The reason that we're under a technological and social quarantine is because we are spiritually corrupt. And what makes us spiritually corrupt is our DNA. It's our DNA that is our original sin, not what the Bible says or what the Christians say. It's our DNA that makes us violent, barbaric, having an irrational obsession with possessions to the point of being greedy, and worst of all, being racist to the point of being genocidal, where we kill en masse many of our own. So you know the aliens see this and they reason that look if we're if we're going to kill our own en masse you can imagine what we would do with someone that is not like us for for any sort of reason so they see us as quite a dangerous species when you combine our dna and our intelligence We are quite possibly the most intelligent creature around because, yeah, they're intelligent, but they are more developed than us because they've been around much longer than us. They've been around much longer than us because their spirituality has the same level as their technology.
Paul:
[41:34] We, however, have such a low level of spirituality and high level of technology that that's what makes us flawed. And when a race is like that, there's a greater chance of self eradication. So these beings that we see you know that are around us that have are watching us they've been allowed to develop for hundreds of thousands of years if not a million years so you can imagine you know with their intelligence how far the technology advanced in those years and how far technology would advance for us if we were to survive that long,
Paul:
[42:19] but if we had a higher spirituality, right? So they're concerned about that because they know that if we have actual disclosure and they have, I feel that they have warned our governments and organizations about disclosure, because they feel that if we have a disclosure, it will lead to contact. If we have contact, it will lead to a technological exchange. And if we had a technological exchange, we did take that technology, weaponize it, and use it against those that actually gave it to us. We did it.
Paul:
[42:57] It's things like the Monroe Doctrine, Manifest Destiny, wiping out the Native Americans. We still do it with the people of the Amazon. We've started wars in the name of weapons of mass destruction. We've even started wars in time to spread Christianity. So they see all that, and they know that that's in our psyche. And they're concerned that if we are to get that technology that we would use against us, that's why we are under the quarantine. And I'm sure that they had advised our governments that if there was disclosure, that there would be consequences and they would probably have a preemptive strike if they found out that we had a certain technology that could be used against them. And so our governments are dragging their feet because of that. And I think it's intentional. And it's also intentional to try and minimize all of the sightings that we see, all of the increased activity. The governments are trying to minimize that and keep it as low as possible so that it appeases the races that are watching us.
Tyler:
[44:24] Um, you know of a guy named, I believe it's Robert Hanson. He wrote this, um, well, he designed a model called the grabby aliens. What he means by grabby is that like, basically there would be two types of civilizations that flourish at like a galactic level. And he's doing the numbers like amount of time it would take you know just just based on what we know to get from microbes to where we are now and then extrapolating that further just like a weather model yeah it's works no differently but yeah so the the two types of civilizations that would likely do well are the ones who are he would say quiet like they keep to themselves and then the other one is grabby ones like ones that go out and colonize right and the fear you know is that which one would we be and which one are we trying to be um right you know i think wholeheartedly that if you took the human race right now and put them into you know the united federation of planets we'd be like the fucking klingon so we'd be like just killing people for no reason yeah um because that's what we do as as good as we are kind of at our core um the It's
Paul:
[45:44] Not because of us, but because of our systems and who's in charge and the powers and what's important to them. It's not because of just the general human, but it's what our system is.
Tyler:
[46:04] Sure yeah and then on the other side of the coin i think a lot of people who are spiritual religious of any kind would pretty much agree like yeah mankind is like not not doing good right now so right yeah if we were if we all want to be accepted by the whatever they're calling the powers that be and in some people could say the galactic federation or whatever and some people might say it's the you know the angels the council of 12 sure the the secret chiefs yeah whatever the the Mahatma what is what did Blavatsky call her people whatever you know the sages the the wise people who were standing at the end of time with their hands up saying hold on human race you're not quite there yet some of you are and some of you aren't and until you guys can all get on the same page about this yeah it's interesting that happens so much even in our own history of uh colonization and empire building is one of the first things that they do is say like all right new group of people you guys can believe whatever you want but you're all going to agree on what you want judaism is a direct descendant of exactly Cyrus the Great did that to them. He's like, look, you guys can be Jewish, but you're all going to have to agree on what Jewish is. Goodbye. Genghis Khan would do the same thing.
Tyler:
[47:30] Even under various different Christian rules. It's like, alright, we're all going to be Christians and we're all going to agree on what Christianity actually means. And it might, yeah, all of it. Every conqueror ever does this. And it's a smart thing to do. You want your people to have like a level of self-identity such that they are compliant but you want to take away their identity as much as you can so it's that they can be uh like demogrified like you can treat them as a demographic if you can control what they believe and where you know wherever yeah no that's i think that's a really how much of this information that you're kind of saying is your conjecture versus stuff that's been directly communicated through this, you know, through them talking to this woman to you?
Paul:
[48:21] Um, I feel that everything is through whoever is communicating with me, either through meditation or contact through the medium or dreams or validation of past researchers. Like you heard of Robert Dean? Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of Robert Dean's stuff that he says seems to be validated by the things that I've been getting.
Tyler:
[49:06] It's crazy to think, you know, like now we have so much access to information, like just forget about the Internet. I mean, just to like order a book and have it delivered to your house for no cost, basically. And then it's like the past couple hundred years worth of research was all scattered all over the place and so now like in 2025 you might read a book that was published in 1986 and it's like oh my goodness this is exactly what i thought like yeah this is exactly what i was looking for it's the missing piece of this puzzle and research in this area seems to be really kind of finally coming together i think that uh you know for a long time people who were doing mystic stuff either had to be secretive or alone and you didn't really have like a network of communication amongst people who were doing that kind of stuff and what are they finding i talked to a gentleman recently who's his opinion he's an astrophysicist too his opinion is that like aliens and spirits are exactly the same thing and essentially like there is life after death but it's more of a
Tyler:
[50:23] Like a stepping stone kind of thing more like a Jacob's Ladder metaphor than perhaps people think of you know you just die and you become an angel and you get your wings or whatever like it's a wonderful life or that sort of thing
Tyler:
[50:36] But he was like convinced
Paul:
[50:39] The spiritual part of the equation is that earth is a school for our spirits.
Tyler:
[50:46] Sure.
Paul:
[50:47] Our spirits are linked to us through a gland in the brain. And...
Tyler:
[50:53] The pineal gland.
Paul:
[50:54] Yeah. Our spirits are energy, right? So in order for them to learn the lessons of love, of pain, suffering, creativity, beauty, all of the human elements, they're linked to us so that they can experience it through us and, This is a school for spirits. So in terms of the time span of our life on Earth compared to other races, other lives, it's very, very short compared to their time scale. And that's why it is called a school. And that's why we should all look at this as something very, very temporary. Even though we're talking 90 years for a lifetime, it's very short in the big picture. And we should look at that perspective. And it is here where we learn about the lesson of life. And when we pass, we either graduate because we have learned a lesson based on that past life. And remember i told you about that that indigo flashing sure or.
Tyler:
[52:21] It's also very common with um angel reports like when people talk about having a interaction with an angel they talk about this like blue or purplish light um it also comes up in when you're talking like ghost hunter type folks like paranormal research you know they take pictures of orbs all over the place especially in you know uh graveyards or whatever but the question is is it the soul of a person relieved from their body or is it other things that they're seeing that are visiting those places or tending to those people um and you know nobody really knows the answer to that but yeah spirit orbs have like a crossover with the angelic phenomenon and more and more with the ufo phenomenon so I would just pause it. They're probably all the same phenomena, whatever it is. But that's a very common thing. I don't know why. It's just, it comes up a lot. Blue or purple flashing light. What was size we're talking?
Paul:
[53:28] What's that?
Tyler:
[53:28] What size are we talking?
Paul:
[53:31] What, the orb? Yeah. Well, I don't know. I've only seen videos and talked to people about that. I can't, especially in that meditation, I couldn't give you dimensions. I couldn't figure out the scale. I just know it was huge.
Tyler:
[53:58] You talked about the visual of the wormhole effect. And we have this kind of long-standing hallucination that people have or if they're taking drugs or meditating or whatever it is that they're doing to get their fasting i don't know um but the the kaleidoscope is sort of synonymous with like psychedelic experience right so you're watching like old 60s you know movies or whatever like everybody loves the even scooby-doo right the kaleidoscope thing but it's like everything is kind of breaking apart and turning into something new as you go through a tunnel
Tyler:
[54:40] Um yeah and there's just so many similarities between different points of view a lot of times when people take uh dmt which i'm not advocating but people do it they talk about speaking to something some sort of entity they a lot of people call them elves um i don't know i don't why but that's what they say but you know and they're they're having these crazy geometric visions it only lasts like 10 minutes and then they come out of it and they're like i feel like i went somewhere else like not that i had you know it's not the same as when you i don't know if you take a bunch of mushrooms and you see a elephant that's not there or something walking down the same street you're on i'm talking about they feel like they i just blasted off the outer space went somewhere else and now i came back like this wormhole sort of experience um but i would definitely say like if you can get there without doing any drugs that would be better but yeah people make their own decisions but just the crossover between the way people describe these things is so fascinating so um it crosses so many lines that i think that we've spent a lot of time
Tyler:
[55:49] You know on the same way you were talking about with we can't get along just we can't stop having war we can't just calm down enough to put all our cards on the table and see what what is the gross sum of human knowledge like you know if we all cooperated what would be our all of our best people and all of our best opinions and all of our best ideas just put put to the forefront then do you think we'd be worthy
Paul:
[56:18] Um, I have a couple things in the premise of the first book that guides the plot and people need to understand, first of all, that we are here to make life better for others instead of might make life better for ourselves at the expense of others. If you just follow that law or the rule, which was actually taught by Jesus, we could definitely have a leap in our spirituality. It would take care of a lot of things if people behave that way. The other thing is people need to understand that other people have a greater influence on your life than you have on your own. There are things that are happening right now, far away, with one person that will eventually affect something that will happen to you later on.
Paul:
[57:19] It's just part of the fate. We are on a straight line towards our destiny, but we don't get there directly. We get there through a meandering way. And if you take the line and then you plot the meandering line over it and then you pinpoint the places where the straight line intersected with the meandering point, when you pass those places and you look back, you will realize which ones were the points that had an impact to get you to where you were going. Only when we look back can we tell where the points are. You won't know what is happening in your life until it's been long gone. Then you will start to realize how things were all meant to be to get you to where you were.
Tyler:
[58:21] Why is the military not putting you in handcuffs for talking about this?
Paul:
[58:27] Yeah. Well, first of all, it's not national security. Okay. Second, the government or whoever, you know, what I call the military-industrial complex, I'm a small fish in the ocean for them. But the other thing is that they welcome more and more information that's out there because the average person can't tell the difference between fantasy and fact. And the more information that is out there, the more people are confused, regardless if it's true or not. And especially in this day and age of the internet, it is so easy to put out information that is false but make it look so real. And the government is okay with that, they won't even deny anymore about things. They don't acknowledge. They just let it happen. And the more and more information is out there, it benefits those that are trying to hide the truth.
Tyler:
[59:32] Sure. I mean, there might be a group of secret chief looking people in black robes standing on the other side of the moon right now watching a camera of us and saying like, you know, we were going to let them into the Galactic Federation, but they still think that their earth they're arguing about whether or not their earth is even a sphere. And they think that this moon has been here the whole time. That's how dumb they are. Um, And then, you know, somebody comes by to check, like, hey, are the earthlings ready yet? And they're like, no, dude, they still think this moon is real.
Paul:
[1:00:07] You know, so my belief, based on a lot of just reading and just kind of trying to formulate thoughts, my belief is that Jesus was a hybrid and he was an emissary sent as an emissary, sent as a test to see if we were close to being ready to be, you know, joining with the spiritual community. And we put them to death, which means that we failed a test. And all of these Christians are saying that there's going to be a second coming. That's not going to happen because they're not going to make that same mistake. It'll happen again. And regardless of who is sent, there still will be a danger. Whoever is in charge would probably find a way. so we're not ready and there's certainly not going to be a second coming to to satisfy that.
Tyler:
[1:01:12] It's a it's an interesting way of people who you know when you when you interpret the gospels like just the four that are in the bible forget about all the rest of them uh it's not like jesus really says like he's the terminator i'll be back like i jesus of nazareth will ride again on a noble steed with a sword through this world he didn't say that um at all so but the idea that the the spirit that he embodied like the christ or the messiah or whatever the galactic federation of planets calls that and i don't know but whoever that representative of the the higher pantheon of things out there was yeah i mean we we certainly failed that test but i i could see where perhaps the idea is that we will be tested again at some point or possible another you know maybe maybe the same spiritual being but in a totally different you know human avatar if it's even human at that point i mean it could take us a while so we'll see we'll probably be cyborgs by the time they let us in because they're like oh So this brings me
Paul:
[1:02:25] To the sequel, which will be coming out in October.
Tyler:
[1:02:28] Right.
Paul:
[1:02:29] And the sequel is about the blood of Christ and the Shroud of Turin.
Tyler:
[1:02:35] Salvation, by the way, people. Disclosure Paradox. Salvation. Right.
Paul:
[1:02:41] And there's an entire chapter on the authenticity of the Shroud, looking at botany forensics blood science nuclear physics all that stuff archaeology and um, There are a couple of things that people need to understand that are fact based on these research papers from all over the world of researchers and scientists. One, they determined that the blood of Christ does not have a human match. Two, his DNA is not human. Three, the image that was made by his resurrection was done by way of a radiation event.
Paul:
[1:03:38] And for us to actually copy that image the way it is on a linen would take micro lasers calibrated to the proper depth because it was a 3D image powered by approximately 16 billion watts of energy. We only have a laser that uses 8 billion right now.
Tyler:
[1:04:01] But we're going to burn baby burn until we get there, bro. We got the power now.
Paul:
[1:04:05] The other thing is that you could only use those lasers for one 40,000th of a second. Right. We don't have that technology. So there is something very profound that happened to make that image on his shroud. The other thing is, as I mentioned about the blood, there are 376 verses in the New Testament that mention the blood of Christ. I don't think that's an accident. I don't think it's coincidence. I think there's something to that.
Tyler:
[1:04:37] What's the number again?
Paul:
[1:04:40] 376.
Tyler:
[1:04:41] Is that number significant in some sense?
Paul:
[1:04:47] I don't.
Tyler:
[1:04:48] Numerologically?
Paul:
[1:04:49] We could talk to a numerologist.
Tyler:
[1:04:57] I think is the word. Numerologist. Yeah, it's funny stuff. Or is it an angel number? I don't care. Does it have any significance at all in any other context?
Paul:
[1:05:07] Yeah. And then the other thing is that, you know, he cryptically told us that his sin, his blood will wash away the sins of the earth. And I think that we should take that literally. So the hypothesis in my book is, what if we were to have technology to harvest his DNA, take it, and then use it to repair our own DNA, and then we would become like him, and then our spirituality would be self. That's what that book is about.
Tyler:
[1:05:46] There was a horror movie very similar to that. I'm trying to remember what it was called. But essentially, this girl goes to Italy as part of a nun's convent, right? So she's just living there. And then she becomes pregnant, though she did not have any intercourse. And then comes to find out that the church there had acquired i think a relic from i don't know the spear of destiny or something like something that had jesus's dna on it right and then they were able to use that to impregnate her such that she would have that right but you know it's it's obviously it's a horror movie but still it's like it's like almost a jurassic part sort of thing but just in this case it's jesus park um i'm sure ken ham would love this at his uh at his arc park or whatever he's got going on um but yeah it's almost like it's almost like it's your version of the da vinci code kind of thing but
Paul:
[1:06:55] It goes a little deeper.
Tyler:
[1:06:56] Yeah a little deeper yeah yeah it's interesting um because you i mean you like many other authors will write fiction that's based on real stuff or to you real stuff or whatever it is and that you know that could be anything from just you know an allegorical fiction about my life told through a different character you know or like little house on the prairie kind of thing all the way up to this on the other extreme but yeah it makes it interesting because you're able to potentially communicate information without necessarily saying like oh well i wrote a nonfiction book about it and asserted all of this is true one of my you know former guests and a good friend uh monica bullock she is a paranormal investigator and she basically just writes fiction but all of her stories are you know real things that she did she just tells it all through fiction what is it why not just write a nonfiction book about you know exactly what happened
Paul:
[1:08:02] There are a number of reasons. One is that I don't have a following like Von Donnegan or Dolan or any of the guys that show up on Ancient Aliens and have a following or have their own podcast or have written other books on their subject matter. So I can't compete with that. But the other thing is that being in the military, if I wrote a nonfiction book, regardless of the topic, you had to go through a formal review process. And that's to ensure that there's no information that would be detrimental to national security. Right. So this is like a public affairs.
Tyler:
[1:08:58] You'd have to go through.
Paul:
[1:08:59] Yeah, OK First does that.
Tyler:
[1:09:00] Yeah. That's interesting. I used an alias for the first three years of this podcast for that reason. I was like, I don't want to have to deal with anything. I didn't mention it. I never talked about the Air Force or anything just until I was out because I wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to get called into an office and say, hey, you said what? I didn't say that. That was some other guy on the Internet.
Paul:
[1:09:25] And the other thing is that a lot of people that I want to read this book, they are turned off by seeing the titles of nonfiction books. And some just cannot accept.
Paul:
[1:09:50] Stories about extraterrestrials or abduction or Dulce or Area 51 any of that they just will not read it so.
Paul:
[1:10:04] My reason to write fiction was to attract those people and kind of ease them into the topic chapter by chapter. Um, um, And, you know, knowing them, knowing that there is truth in this book, then knowing that the book is based on parts of my life. So what it does is it attracts people that normally would not read the subject matter. It gets oriented in the mythology of it and in the language. And it makes them, and what I've heard from people that have read the book, they go into the internet and they start to search the things that I talk about, Dulce or Rendlesham Forest or Antarctica and aliens or Operation High Jump, all that stuff. They go in there and then they realize, wow, they never really knew about that. And so it opens up a new world for them and it jars their perspective of what is reality.
Tyler:
[1:11:32] You mentioned hot jump. What do you think happened with Admiral Byrd?
Paul:
[1:11:36] Yeah, I think there was something there. I don't think it was just to map out the edge of Antarctica. Yeah um however as i'm wrote in the book what happened to bird um what they say happened to bird where you know he was taken and he met nazi.
Tyler:
[1:11:58] Nordic at the ends were there yeah yeah
Paul:
[1:12:00] That's a hoax yeah.
Tyler:
[1:12:02] I think i think that the the diary is bullshit but i think that admiral bird had a profound experience.
Paul:
[1:12:10] I have a chapter in there that proves, not proves, but gives evidence of why the diary is a hoax.
Tyler:
[1:12:19] Sure.
Paul:
[1:12:20] Yeah.
Tyler:
[1:12:22] But it's one of those captivating things. It's like Bob Lazar. As soon as you get into weird stuff 101, Admiral Byrd, Bob Lazar, Roswell, whatever you're going to put in the ancient or not ancient aliens but the unsolved mysteries season whatever whatever that looks like uh crop circles cattle mutilation uh yeah it's it's all there the the x-files season one basically uh it is odd to think about how If you classify something as allegorical fiction, on the hierarchy of books that people buy, it's obviously above the weird, I don't even know what they call it. If you walk into a Barnes & Noble, where do you find the Art Bell books?
Paul:
[1:13:19] I say paranormal, right?
Tyler:
[1:13:21] Sure. and it's a tiny like it's a tiny section you know it's a tiny little minute part of the bookstore that you know only people who basically look like me stand around all day trying to pick things out whereas you know you walk over to the allegorical fiction you know the fantasy area it's like the biggest section of the whole bookstore so that makes sense i always thought that like sitchin should have published the 12th planet as it as a fiction and then he would have he would have then been the greatest fiction author of all time instead of just being the the pseudo-scientific crazy guy who could read sumerian um because that's like yeah if you look at you look at asimov's foundation series something like that people like are still talking about that and talking about it like it's myth like it's like this is something that needs to be studied this gets it so right a hundred percent even though it's a piece of fiction and everyone's okay with that but you put the 12th planet up against that and it's like oh well it's exactly the same amount of get you know gets it right without really knowing what the hell he's talking about maybe
Tyler:
[1:14:33] As foundation series but it's this quack pseudoscience book and it's forever going to have that stigma to it the same thing i mean chariots of the gods i think is a lot more conservative than sitchin but like by far way more like i think chariots really just ask questions it doesn't really make any statements it's just like sure could this be the case like should we be paying attention to this um that was kind of von dannigan's role but yeah if you want to tell a story it's way easier i think to do it in the in the form of fiction and people will still take it seriously if it's good you know when i was 13 maybe younger maybe like 10 i thought i was gonna go to hogwarts like i was waiting on that to happen um the fantasy really captures you you know and it really uh it really makes you think but you know even the da vinci code we mentioned it earlier was published as fiction as fiction and people still believed it people are like oh this really did happen the mona lisa all that stuff or national treasure those movies are really fun too so i don't think that even labeling yourself as fiction has anything to do with what people believe at all um do you do you find like the readers of of your works what are they what are they like like what's your demographic audience gosh um
Paul:
[1:16:02] Well, all right. So a lot of them have the door open about extraterrestrials. Probably the majority of them have that door open where they will allow the thought of considering extraterrestrials and things like that. A lot of them have background in meditation and understanding psychics.
Paul:
[1:16:42] And there are some that are religious.
Paul:
[1:16:47] The one group that I get a lot of pushback from are atheists. Because my book has such a strong spiritual threat in there, or vain. And they absolutely refuse to consider that when we pass, that something separates from us, and and that's something is the the more profound part of us rather than us being you know the human host if if you will they they refuse to believe that, um that we are secondary sure and and so um Um.
Paul:
[1:17:46] Anything that I mentioned about my meditation or, um, having contact with people that had contact or, um, the medium, um, they say, well, give me proof. Well, I can't prove anything about my meditation. You can't do that. So they write it off. So that's been the most difficult part about this whole thing is trying to get atheists to open up about that, and they're just very, very hard to get across.
Tyler:
[1:18:28] Yeah, I don't understand how you could believe there's nothing. I could understand, even if you are truly an atheist, Does that mean there's no possible higher intelligence in the whole universe that could communicate telepathically? You can't even posit that that might be agnostic, at least, on this kind of thing. But then I guess you could still make the conjecture, well, if there are a higher intelligence that exists within the universe, that's not God. That's not necessarily even good. it's just something bigger than us therefore yeah but even still how can you then say there is nothing to it
Paul:
[1:19:17] Um that's.
Tyler:
[1:19:18] Strange but i mean yeah people i understand what it's like to think that way but i haven't in a long time um it just seems so closed-minded like you it's like if an alien like walked up and slapped you in the face you wouldn't believe it
Paul:
[1:19:32] Or if.
Tyler:
[1:19:34] You did you know almost always like people like that that are super hardened like that it takes them having some kind of experience and then they're like well now i don't feel that way anymore
Paul:
[1:19:45] Yeah you know um i think um neil tyson degrassi yeah has a real good explanation about um a god right he says uh you know either god could be um good or could be all powerful and he explains how.
Paul:
[1:20:07] It can't be both right and my thought is that okay well if God is that source energy that I talked about energy has no emotion that energy is just nothing more than to create create by the power of thought the power of thought with that immense, mass of energy could create wonderful things but it is neither good nor bad it just once it creates it lets it go praying to an energy won't do anything and so people need to know that there are limits to this source energy it's not, it's not something that is controlling us it's not something that will help us because, this is a school if we ask for help and we get it it's like cheating we won't learn our lessons so there will be no divine intervention, unless it's actually part of the plan but overall, we're here to learn something and we're not going to get the answers to the test.
Tyler:
[1:21:32] It's a very sober way of looking at it because there are some people on the other side of that fence that are saying like, some people legitimately kind of believe that the God as described in the Torah is a trickster who has convinced all these people that he is truly the creator. And then, you know, you start looking into the Nag Hammadi and stuff like that, then it comes up a lot where it's like the other gods are calling out the god that they're worshiping saying like, hey, why are you telling them that you're the almighty and all powerful or whatever? I could posit that, you know, that could be the case. If you're looking at, you know, some of the stories of Sumeria, allegedly, you know, like Enki and Enlil constantly duking out. And that happens in so many different mythologies. I mean, Loki and Thor, etc. You know, there's all these different conflicts amongst the chain up to whatever the source is.
Paul:
[1:22:31] Well, all you have to do is look in the books of Deuteronomy, Numbers, and I think it It's Judges and parts of Exodus. And there's evidence there that they weren't dealing with God. They were dealing with some sort of imposter. And, you know, that imposter, in my opinion, took Israel out of Egypt and sequestered them to make his own conqueror or warrior race to get rid of the pagans that were throughout, you know, they were peaceful pagans.
Tyler:
[1:23:18] Ironically called Gentiles.
Paul:
[1:23:20] Yeah. And if they didn't do that, then he killed them. And like in one passage, and I think it's numbers, that they killed as many as 20,000 of them because they were protesting for peace. And he wanted his warriors. And so he just like incinerated them in front of everyone. and it was enough to, you know, for people to fall in line. But in my opinion, the God of Israel that took them out of Egypt was not God. It was an imposter.
Tyler:
[1:23:57] It's interesting. Like at the time that the Hebrews would have left Egypt, right? And then they would just leave with this thing in a box that you have to have special clothes on to not die of radiation poisoning. Yeah, right. Yeah. And, you know, what did that represent? And, you know, I don't want that to come across like, first of all, I'm just exploring the idea. I don't know what really happened. But also, like, I can also understand the other side of the coin where it's like, well, we think that this is the one true God and this is why we acted the way we did because it was telling us to or something, you know, perfectly open to that as a other side of the coin. But just for the sake of exploring, you know, what might have been. Yeah. What is it that they took from there? Why were they able to why was such a small group of people disorganized in many aspects able to just take over this vast region of what we now call modern day Israel, Palestine, Jordan you know and a constant kind of traffic through that area and then later Roman influence on the area and even Persian influence because it doesn't get talked about enough in my opinion that there was a lot of that going on. Especially, you know, during the height of the Persian Empire. So much of that area was just completely, you know, ran by
Tyler:
[1:25:24] Persians who were it so like zoroastrianism doesn't ever get talked about today because it's such a small tiny tiny little sliver of of existing religions but that was kind of the ruling class thought of a certain time and then you have like in even in the book of matthew like jesus christ is visited by three magi priests of zoroastrianism who believed in the same whatever it was isaiah's same prophecy they still had the same idea that there was going to be this special guy born on this day and he was going to be important to the world somehow um and who knows what really happened but there's a reason i think while that story still persists to this day um
Tyler:
[1:26:14] You have so many different groups of people that all have somewhat overlapping ideas and just it's just the it's just the hebrews who kind of move into this area and have like a all right everybody we're the new kids in town and it's the when you're reading some of the accounts it doesn't necessarily seem like they were just kind of peacefully hey can we stay here about anything you know they walk up to the city of jericho and knock the walls down after marching around it with the help of angels and yeah it's a it's i think it's surprising for a lot of christians who have not genuinely read the old testament you know like most i think people read genesis exodus and then they just kind of skip to jesus like there's a lot that goes on there you know there's david and there's samson and there's you know all kinds of crazy stuff that yes yeah doesn't probably doesn't fit a lot of people's narratives when they think of what God is.
Paul:
[1:27:12] And then, you know, think of all the books that were taken out.
Tyler:
[1:27:15] Oh, yeah, but Enoch alone is crazy. That it's just only, and it's even more impressive that it survived to us only because the Ethiopians happened to be the only sovereign Christian nation that survived in Africa. You know, the Coptics to some degree, but basically like the book of Enoch is here because Enoch, ethiopian christians had it the whole time yeah um whereas a lot of the other stuff and there's some degree to this where it's like you can't just read every book that's labeled like occult esoteric knowledge or whatever and assume that there's anything more to it than a hoax without doing some research so sure i mean the gospel of thomas gospel of mary uh you know whatever the diatribes of hermes trismegistus all this stuff you have to like really be willing to accept that a lot of this is probably just conjecture and it's not necessarily an autobiographer following jesus around on his you know with a pencil i think
Paul:
[1:28:24] Luke sure was the originator original um like scribe about jesus's life even after 80 years.
Tyler:
[1:28:34] But still to this day you know even in the tv show the chosen a lot of christians believe that matthew the apostle and john the apostle are the authors of matthew and john no
Paul:
[1:28:45] I think they plagiarized.
Tyler:
[1:28:46] I think i I wouldn't even go so far as to say they plagiarized it. It's just like John the Apostle and John the Revelator are two different people. But even in the core of like baseline American Christians still think John the Apostle wrote the book of John while Jesus was alive. And the same with Matthew. but they're like historically luke i believe yes was the first one written and then the other two borrow from it well john less so than anything john is like a yeah what do they call it non there's the synoptic gospels the three and then there's john because it's so different that the story of lazarus being resurrected from the dead all kinds of stuff um the first time i genuinely like as an adult sat down and read the gospels i had to message my older brother and be like dude what is going on with this book of John because if you actually read the books it's like this is way different yeah it's like written in a different time it was written in a different language people don't realize that either it's like most of this stuff was in Aramaic the book of John was written in Greek And some of the word choice even is because it was being translated from Greek.
Paul:
[1:30:07] Right.
Tyler:
[1:30:08] And then a lot of the stuff that we have was then translated from Aramaic into Greek and then later into Latin and then later into wherever, you know, not until Martin Luther that we really start to see localized translations. And then the King James, because he wanted to get a divorce, I guess. Yeah. Um, That's so fascinating. What have you learned from all of this? Like, what do you take away? Other than just, I need to write a book. Like you said that you, they stopped communicating with you. So where does that leave you like emotionally?
Paul:
[1:30:47] Recently, another psychic woman told me that, hey, wait a minute, you're not a counselor and informer. You are a liaison. And I wondered, okay, liaison between the humans and what? Am I between the humans and the spiritual world or a liaison between the humans and something else? And I didn't get that yet. I imagine I will. The important thing is that everyone needs to know that everyone has a role.
Paul:
[1:31:21] Some are bigger than others. But everyone has a role to play in this school. And some have realized their role some haven't quite figured out yet I feel that there are sleeper cells like myself out there that will eventually be awakened and contribute to the spiritual evolution of our humanity I think it's our destiny and he, As far as the speed, you know, we're just going to have to be very patient about it. I myself, I don't think things will happen in my own lifetime. But my message perhaps will plant seeds for other people who will have children, I suppose. And, you know, we'll talk about this with our kids. And, you know, I kind of make it sound like a religion. I don't want to make it sound like that, but it's to help ourselves evolve spiritually so that we don't lose sight of why we are here and who we really are.
Tyler:
[1:32:44] I yeah i think it's very troubling for a lot of people to think about things in terms of like well it's not in my lifetime you know anything that goes past 70 years in the future it's like doesn't exist to most people um honestly man if you're i don't know like a addict or something you know there's a lot of people out there who are just thinking about the very immediate what do i need right now whatever that happens to be you know um oh i i need to get through this day of work so i can get home and drink or i i need to whatever it is um and don't have a lot of space in their life to even begin to open up the door to think like this um it's interesting that you know you mentioned ancient aliens being the thing that kind of made you think um and something i've brought up has been kind of a theme on the show recently is
Tyler:
[1:33:41] As stupid as that TV show is in so many ways, it is great that it is kind of a gateway for people to just be exposed to that information. Just the sheer amount of people who didn't even, never heard of the Book of Enoch before that show. And the probably amounts of audio books that have sold specifically because someone heard that like the 18th time on ancient aliens went out and just bought like danikin's book what was the childress guy that wrote the technology of the gods is always on that show um
Paul:
[1:34:15] Yeah and um graham.
Tyler:
[1:34:19] Yeah graham hancock for sure he said it right i think joe rogan put graham hancock on the for a lot of people yeah like i think my generation especially like if you heard of fingerprints and magicians of the gods and all that stuff it was probably from graham's appearances on the joe rogan's podcast um you know and he he kind of has that power you know he can sort of if he he has such a big audience that he could feasibly take any person and elevate them to a higher status of book sales or get them a netflix documentary or whatever it is um just because you can prove there's an audience for whatever it is that they're talking about. But yeah, I think that as much crap as that show gets, it's sort of the, it's great that people get into it that way. And if it could be that more parents in general are just having these conversations with their children, be like, oh, I was reading this book the other day and it talked about this, this, and that. Just the idea of being planted, like you said, like a seed through generations, you know. Hopefully, eventually, it'll click with people and now arguably more than ever we are at least having these sorts of conversations with just in public you know you don't have to go hide in the mason's lodge or whatever talk about some of this stuff did you
Tyler:
[1:35:43] Do you think that with this position of being a liaison of sorts, I mean, are you scared? Are you?
Paul:
[1:35:51] No. I've been told by the watchers that I'm being protected.
Tyler:
[1:35:59] Do you think anybody would want to get rid of you for spreading this kind of thing?
Paul:
[1:36:08] I did have a death threat already from my book. There are extreme religious people that don't like my message.
Tyler:
[1:36:20] Isn't it crazy that the religious people are the ones that want to kill you and the atheists just tell you they don't care?
Paul:
[1:36:25] Yeah. You know, I consider myself a woke author. You know, I have a lesbian in the book. A woman is a Hickory Apache woman. The lesbian, she's a black lesbian. I have Native American, as I mentioned, and I talk about Black Lives Matter for a little bit. I also talk about they visit a Japanese internment camp that was made a national monument by Bush in 2006. And they go over there for like a spiritual, I guess, event. So, you know, there are things that will certainly rub the Christian white right people the wrong way, but I don't care about that.
Tyler:
[1:37:31] Sure. Yeah. It's just so fascinating because, you know, I wonder if I were the liaison to this council and I had to like make the case for humanity. I don't know what the right answers are in a lot of these scenarios. Where like are they looking down at us and are they saying, man these motherfuckers still care if other ones of them are gay. They're fighting about that. And then on the other hand, I wonder if they're up there saying like, dude these guys are down there pumping babies with hormones and doing surgery. And I don't know which one of those two things that these you know gods favor or whatever they might be and it's very hard to make that decision because you don't know we have this sort of struggle in humanity between empathy and you know decisive logic or whatever you want to call that where it's like do you favor what's
Tyler:
[1:38:24] More caring you know for the the lowest all the way down to the least common denominator like just everyone gets as soft a life as they possibly can have or is it a necessary trial that we have you know difficulties and and we have to solve them i don't know um it seems like the the only conclusion that i can come to is the balance has got to be the key like somewhere in between those two things, those two complete poles of thought, has to be something closer to the truth. But I'm curious, like, what do you think?
Paul:
[1:39:07] I don't know, like, there's so many elements that, we are doing that we still don't have all the answers of, that we're still doing things, just because I think a lot of decisions are based on emotion and fear. Sure. And, you know, especially in this day and age with the internet, it's so easy to convince people about something that isn't true. Right. But because certain people are in power or have control, uh, politically, um, it appears that that's, that's the way that that's the right way. So, um, you know, I, I am, um, quite concerned about the demonization of science and the, I am concerned about the continued approach of taking beliefs and using them to make legislation. Those are two forces that are really working against us, even in a spiritual sense. Sure.
Tyler:
[1:40:35] You know Bruce Solheim? You ever heard of him?
Paul:
[1:40:39] I've heard of him, yeah.
Tyler:
[1:40:40] Yeah, great. I had him on pretty recently and, you know, he has the whole very similar story, but he communicates with Anzar, right? And many of these cases, there are people who are, it's fascinating to me, like almost never do you talk to anyone with like gifted knowledge or psychic, telepathic, telekinetic, any ability like that, where in which they claim to be the source of whatever it is that they're experiencing. They're like, no, it was someone gave this to me or someone helped me out or something, you know, something that I communicate with or have communicated with, um, that gives me direction or whatever it is. Um, and that was very true in, in Bruce's case. And he was a very interesting fellow. I actually just read his autobiography, um, a couple of days ago because he sent me a copy. It's really good. It's like a comic book autobiography too. So it's, it's neat. But. Yeah. The tendency for this to be like channeled information from something else is ubiquitous. And at the same time, I think that a lot of our religious type folks out there would just point out, how do you know you're not being lied to and manipulated to spread false information?
Paul:
[1:42:02] Yeah, I think that comes from inside. It also comes from just multiple synchronous events, talking to many people about it and getting validation in that manner. And also, what is the end game? Who benefits from it and what am I getting out of it, so I think because the end game is altruistic and it's to promote humanity's spirituality and doesn't involve, self-enrichment. I think that's probably one thing that I feel, validates what's happened to me. Sure.
Tyler:
[1:43:19] Yeah, you heard of Don Phillips?
Paul:
[1:43:23] No.
Tyler:
[1:43:24] I don't know why, this is just my favorite, one of my favorite cases to talk about recently. But so he is a British gentleman who communicates with an entity named Becky. That's what he calls her, who does this for him, like gives him a lot of information. Basically, in his case, it's like to help communicate or solve paranormal cases, like spirit world type stuff. Right um and it's it's just one of those fascinating things where it's like empirically this dude has something going on where he's able to know things and do things that people ought not be able to do and on the other hand the fight is about what is the actual source of this so they uncovered in the investigation that this entity claiming to be a woman named becky who died in a plane crash most likely did not even exist so then the question became like all right well why did she lie about that um and it's it's enough to cause i think people to really question like when when folks are saying i hear voices in my head or i talk to someone in my dreams or in my meditations or whatever that it's potentially uh you know some people might use the word malicious or demonic or nefarious or whatever, but that it, it has some, something other than is the same as if we can posit that the ancient Hebrews were not talking with the one true God, but we're convinced that they were right. Same principle.
Tyler:
[1:44:52] Um, that must, to me, that would be scary. I think if I had the same experience as you, I would be plagued with what do I trust in
Paul:
[1:45:03] Yeah, I've had that very early on, and then I reasoned that with all the stuff that continued to happen, that this was, you know, something that was authentic. I need to tell you that I need to leave soon because I have to take my grandson to the doctor.
Tyler:
[1:45:28] No, we can wrap it up. That's fine. I mean, we got a solid almost two hours already. That's enough so we'll just kind of sign off here and let you go if that's cool okay so folks folks can find your works at the disclosureparadox.com
Paul:
[1:45:45] Yep yeah and if they have a bookstore that they like you know instead of buying from Amazon, they can go to the bookstore it's in the system they can order it through the bookstore and it'll be there like in three days you know from mail order or something like that So they don't have to buy through Amazon. It's available in Canada and England too. I have a publisher. That's awesome. If you want me back to talk about the second book, I'd be happy to come back too.
Tyler:
[1:46:14] Yeah, just like whenever you're ready, you or Shirley or someone can let me know and we'll make it happen. I'm sure we have much more to talk about than just what we were able to cover today.
Paul:
[1:46:21] Yeah, great conversation. Great questions.
Tyler:
[1:46:26] Well, thank you, sir. And have a good rest of your day.
Paul:
[1:46:29] All right. Thanks, Tyler. Bye.
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Tyler:
[1:46:37] Thank you so much to paul for coming on the show i hope that you guys enjoyed it please let me know what you think in the discord discord.inthecute.com or in the comments or wherever you're listening um we look forward to it i love you god love you until next time stay in the keep
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